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Post by ameisenmeister on Jan 1, 2020 20:26:00 GMT
I want to start 2020 with a new design challenge game that has been floating around in my head for a long time now. Let me tell you. Playing Magic is great fun but there are other games, of course, that are also fun. As a dedicated Magic player I find myself again and again thinking about how to implement the rules, characters or features of other games into Magic. And not only with games but also when I watch movies I'm often thinking about which colors a particular character would be in mtg terms or which mechanic would fit best the fantastic worlds on the screen. If you read that far and thought 'Hey, that's what I do too!' then be welcomed to the new Crossover Game! The rules are simple. Issue two genres of fiction, games, books, or movies or that are at least somewhat well-known and give additional restrictions if you like to. Then the contestants choose one (or both) of the two topics and design a card to it. After a week or so, you choose the winner who then has the privilege to issue the next two games/movies. When designing a card, feel free to use artwork of any kind. I personally don't mind screenshots from the game or movie either. As we're not R&D, we can use the original names of characters or concepts and don't have to come up with magic-ey changed names. EDIT: You can also use books of any kind for inspiration. Thanks ZephyrPhantom ! EDIT: It's okay to repost a theme any number of times if you'd like to see more cards from it and think that there's more design space to mine. In that case, you can of course give some limits to spice things up, ex.: a card from the Pokémon universe representing a Pokémon attack. EDIT: Added "Genres of fiction" as a valid choice given its general success in drawing in entries. - ZephyrPhantomSo after this lenghty introduction, let's get started! Your first two topics to choose from are the game(s) Bioshock 1 & 2 and the movie Avatar. I'm positive that everyone knows at least one of the two topics so let's get going!
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Post by MaiApologies (She/Her) on Jan 2, 2020 2:20:29 GMT
Hey, this seems fun!  I was considering doing something with the actual avatar tech, but I decided to go simple and make everyone's favorite really comically named magic space rocks. And, of course, your creatures can go get more of it for you! |
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Post by Boogymanjunior on Jan 5, 2020 22:14:35 GMT
Excellent Design Challenge! Deliberately triggers for other player's creatures too because The Great Chain is for everyone. But only you get the benefit because, as Ryan thought as well, "perhaps it's time to give it a tug…"  Wanted a magic-esque picture of workers instead of RPG characters, but astonishingly to no avail. But I guess a principle can be applied to more than it was thought to apply for... |
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Post by ameisenmeister on Jan 10, 2020 16:54:37 GMT
Seeing how sparsely entries are coming in, I hope to give this challenge a jump start by calling for the pack of usual design game suspects.
Don't feel obliged to post something here. If the challenge is inherently flawed and doesn't get some more entries within the next week, I'll delete it.
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Post by DoctorStrangelove on Jan 10, 2020 17:25:40 GMT
I've actually never watched/played either actually lol. Maybe the contest would work better if everyone could choose a game/movie/tv show and create a card for it? Or have much broader categories I.E. "create a card from a western film/book/tv show/video game" or "create a card from a sci-fi property."
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Post by melono on Jan 10, 2020 17:33:03 GMT
 I was already looking at how to make creatures as vehicles to have them be ridden like in Avatar. I went for a simpler approach, a new keyword. |
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Post by Tesagk on Jan 10, 2020 18:15:54 GMT
I've actually never watched/played either actually lol. Maybe the contest would work better if everyone could choose a game/movie/tv show and create a card for it? Or have much broader categories I.E. "create a card from a western film/book/tv show/video game" or "create a card from a sci-fi property." This isn't a bad idea.
However, the game as it is isn't a bad concept either. I'm not sure how others feel about it, but I'll put in an entry when I can today or tomorrow.
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Post by ameisenmeister on Jan 10, 2020 18:29:16 GMT
I've actually never watched/played either actually lol. Maybe the contest would work better if everyone could choose a game/movie/tv show and create a card for it? Or have much broader categories I.E. "create a card from a western film/book/tv show/video game" or "create a card from a sci-fi property." This isn't a bad idea.
However, the game as it is isn't a bad concept either. I'm not sure how others feel about it, but I'll put in an entry when I can today or tomorrow.
Well, the problem there would be that the person who ought to judge the challenge might not know about the games/movies the cards are inspired by. DoctorStrangelove I can only urge you to play the Bioshock series. Even if you're not a shooter playing person, the story is just too good to miss out on. |
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Post by Trisky on Jan 10, 2020 18:47:23 GMT
Would You Kindly   Enchantment - Aura Curse  ~ is colorless. Enchant player At the beginning of enchanted player's upkeep he or she loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
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Post by fluffydeathbringer on Jan 10, 2020 20:18:45 GMT
I'm flattered but I mostly loathe reference cards
also the contest framework being less specific than it already is is a bad idea that leads to each challenge being way less coherent
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Post by Daij_Djan on Jan 10, 2020 23:25:06 GMT
Saw this contest a while ago and I do think it's an interesting one. Didn't participate earlier because of (a) RL stuff and (b) never having played Bioshock while (c) having no idea what to do for an Avatar themed card. But after some pondering, I think I came up with something simple but fitting - time to put that effect onto a Vehicle:
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Post by viriss on Jan 11, 2020 0:49:21 GMT
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Post by Boogymanjunior on Jan 11, 2020 0:51:16 GMT
This isn't a bad idea.
However, the game as it is isn't a bad concept either. I'm not sure how others feel about it, but I'll put in an entry when I can today or tomorrow.
Well, the problem there would be that the person who ought to judge the challenge might not know about the games/movies the cards are inspired by. DoctorStrangelove I can only urge you to play the Bioshock series. Even if you're not a shooter playing person, the story is just too good to miss out on. I agree with this here, the judge would have to know something about every entry's reference which is rarer than someone knowing one of two properties. Possible options could be a) just adding a third property to increase the chance to have something for everyone (but maybe too much), b) like DoctorStrangelove said, genres/themes (but yes, less coherent) or c) a combination, like one or two specific properties plus a genre/theme as second/third option which the specific properties don't fall into. Did not put much thought into this though. I think I would be fine with how it is if no other option suffices, even though it would lead to non-maximized participation. |
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Post by Tesagk on Jan 11, 2020 11:43:29 GMT
Well, the problem there would be that the person who ought to judge the challenge might not know about the games/movies the cards are inspired by. DoctorStrangelove I can only urge you to play the Bioshock series. Even if you're not a shooter playing person, the story is just too good to miss out on. I agree with this here, the judge would have to know something about every entry's reference which is rarer than someone knowing one of two properties. Possible options could be a) just adding a third property to increase the chance to have something for everyone (but maybe too much), b) like DoctorStrangelove said, genres/themes (but yes, less coherent) or c) a combination, like one or two specific properties plus a genre/theme as second/third option which the specific properties don't fall into. Did not put much thought into this though. I think I would be fine with how it is if no other option suffices, even though it would lead to non-maximized participation. I mean, ultimately, the cards should be judged on their quality as magic cards. The references should only impact flavor and possibly inspire effects within the card, but still within the confines of the game rules. Which means you shouldn't need extensive knowledge in order to judge them. In any case, here's my entry: Active Simulacrum   Enchantment Creature - Aura Shapeshifter  Enchant creature Active Simulacrum enters the battlefield as a copy of enchanted creature, except it has, “you may transfer damage done to enchanted creature to Active Simulacrum instead.” 0/0  |
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Post by Boogymanjunior on Jan 11, 2020 14:22:19 GMT
Tesagk I agree that you don't have to have extensive knowledge in order to judge them, however I would say that the quaility as magic cards includes the quality of fitting flavor-wise, like in Set Theme, Picture into Card or certain CotW challenges. Which means that a judge has to know at least a little bit about the movie/game (otherwise there would be no point in this challenge in the first place). And as this fact is the same reason behind the idea of maybe changing the challenge, the proposed change would not suffice to solve the problem imo. Nevertheless, I think something gets worked out, either by another option or by holding onto the status quo and not everyone always feeling involved in the particular current challenge round.  Till then, there is already a small card flow here so let's just see what happens.
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Post by Boogymanjunior on Jan 18, 2020 15:33:39 GMT
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Post by ameisenmeister on Jan 18, 2020 21:32:04 GMT
Judging incoming!
{maiapologies} Hmm, hmm... I like the idea here but am a bit put off for how weak the card looks. Having a cost reduction of isn't going to matter much after you already had the five mana to cast this. Foundry Inspector and
Etherium Sculptor do the same at a way better rate. However, the shenangigans you could pull of by copying Unobtanium could make it worthwhile nonetheless. I don't get why it's legendary though, as its copies aren't (obviously) and it is itself just some kind of mineral. Nothing unique really.
{Boogymanjunior}
Andrew Ryan's vision of a perfect society could certainly grant you lots of benefits. The flavor of creatures all working into one direction while still following their individual goals is cute but that you, the caster of the enchantment, are the only one who profits doesn't seem right to me. I'm not really sure how one could come up with a better card for the great chain but I guess I would rather have it be something like the monarch mechanic where everyone is into the game and the one who tries hardest gets the prize. For as long as they can hold it, at least.
{melono}
A rider mechanic, a nut wotc found hard to crack. I like your take on it, having designed a similar mechanic myself. Your card is pretty basic but completely works for me. The Na'vi warriors riding these six legged wolves was really impressive to watch and quite a memorable moment of the movie.
{Trisky} I very much appreciate you using the famous phrase from Bioshock for a card design. What irritates me, however, is how weak the card is. Ill-Gotten Inheritance is basically the same thing but works better in multiplayer and has the additional upside to be sacrificed for an additional drain. Plus, it's common! The Would you kindly phrase is also more about mind control than about draining energy so the flavor doesn't really work for me. I also don't get why your card is colorless for some reason.
{Daij_Djan}
A card so simple and flavorful that one could be surprised why it doesn't already exists. The stats seem fine, the flavor works and the helicopters are also a quite important part of the movie. Nice entry!
{viriss}
I'm not sure whether there really was some person named Michelle in the Avatar movie but I sure remember the strange tentacle tree of visions and mind sex. I'm not so sure about what casting instants and sorceries have to do with it but your design is a clean package so I'll wont bother too much about it.
{Tesagk}
I like the idea of a clone-like bodyguard and I also see the inspiration you took from the Avatar movie. An aura, shapeshifter that's simultaneously a creature and attached to a creature might be too much for my orderly brain to handle, though.
{And the winner is...}
melono! This might come as a little surprise because of how basic the card is, but for me it just made everything right. Like Daij_Djan's helicopter, the depicted item is clearly identifyable from the Avatar movie but melono even went the extra mile to come up with a straightforward riding mechanic.
Thanks everyone for participating!
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Post by Boogymanjunior on Jan 21, 2020 19:35:49 GMT
Congratulations melono! When do you take the mantle? |
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Post by melono on Jan 22, 2020 10:45:54 GMT
Thanks for the heads up Boogymanjunior. I think I glanced over this thread in my notifications. Anyhow, the next two franchises are: Harry Potter and Epic Battle Fantasy. The last one is that free flash game rpg, if that causes you to remember. I am expecting mostly Potter, but ebf is my fave. |
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Post by Daij_Djan on Jan 22, 2020 19:58:44 GMT
Big thanks for the feedback, glad you liked my card. And congratz to our winner!
My new entry is pretty much the opposite of a clean and simple common, but I quite like it nethertheless  Wording inspired by Signal the Clans:
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Post by gluestick248 on Jan 22, 2020 23:04:22 GMT
Map of Mischief  Artifact ,  , Sacrifice Map of Mischief: Search your library for a land card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.  , , Sacrifice Map of Mischief: Search your library for a creature card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library. |
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Post by Xenagos on Jan 25, 2020 18:52:45 GMT
Nimbus 2000 Artifact - Equipment Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has haste. As long as equipped creature is a Wizard, it has " , Unattach ~: Return target creature to its owner's hand." Equip |
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Post by ameisenmeister on Jan 25, 2020 19:57:16 GMT
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Post by Daij_Djan on Jan 26, 2020 18:16:50 GMT
This time my design clearly is much less clean - but I just couldn't resist anyway
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Post by Tesagk on Jan 27, 2020 19:09:23 GMT
Expelliarmus  Instant Choose one: • Target equipment becomes detached from equipped creature. (Detached equipment no longer targets a creature to equip and its equip cost must be paid again to equip it.)
• Exile target Aura enchantment. At the beginning of the next upkeep, an enchantment exiled by ~ returns to the battlefield enchanting the creature it was attached to when it was exiled.  |
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Post by Boogymanjunior on Feb 2, 2020 16:30:58 GMT
 At first I wanted to make it equip because tbh, now it is rather weak. But unfortunately would lead to the very weird use of equipping every of your creatures with ablities that cost or more after one another to essentially generate the effect that every activated ability of these creatures cost less to activate, which is against the very idea of an equipment. |
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Post by Boogymanjunior on Feb 5, 2020 14:02:37 GMT
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Feb 6, 2020 1:09:41 GMT
Boogymanjunior I'll give a brief judging of this one within 48 hours to allow the game to move forward.
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Feb 6, 2020 9:59:24 GMT
I just want to say I loved Epic Battle Fantasy as a game and I'm a little sad it didn't get any references as a result, but that I suppose is the result of pairing it up against a media giant like Harry Potter. Let's see how Snape would rate 'em. Daij_Djan - Very much a Commander card and kind of cute, plus I can see certain equipment (primarily Tap and cloning ones) synergizing well with the tribe. The wordiness is indeed a bit of rough patch but but it's an unusual strategy that doesn't feel too far out of its color pairing for Commander and one I think that he could be easily function in as part of the 99 or as the Commander. Good implementation of an idea that risked being far too wordy and complex. gluestick248 - An card]Expedition Map[/card] that trades its ease of getting lands for more options. Missing rarity actually hurts this card a bit because I ended up having to check several comparable cards of this sort to ensure it was really an with these rates (Expedition Map has also been a  ). I guess it's okay in Commander and might even see play in budget Tron Brews out there but I feel a little flavor text could've spiced this up a bit more. Xenagos - Clever in a few ways and immediately communicates the flavor of its home setting, which I like. Probably a decent Limited pick. ameisenmeister - Interesting take on the equal-sacrifice creature, I suppose. I actually think the blurb to give it flying actually detracts from what the card should be used for (Why would the opponent care about giving unblockable if it's already flying in most cases?) and makes it a little less graceful than it should be, especially when the comparison is Fleshbag Marauder. Remove the middle ability and this card would be set-worthy, IMHO. Tesagk - I know Blue gets flickering here and there but the fact the second ability says "Aura" really makes this feel like a  flicker as opposed to a Blue one ( Ghostly Flicker, Teferi's Time Twist, etc...). I also feel like there needs to be an additional effect to make this card a sufficiently powerful 'charm' of sorts, unless the hypothetical set is that heavily riddled with Equipment and Auras. (That, or perhaps a Scry 1?) You could probably cut down on the first effect's wording too by just using "Unattach target Equipment from target creature." ( Disarm) Flavorful representation of HP but I think it struggles to make that jump to being a well-designed MtG card due to the usual "Other source's flavor vs MTG design" issue crossovers always struggle with. Boogymanjunior - Now this, this is very very clever. I don't even need to be familiar with the flavor of Harry Potter to instantly get what it does and just the fact it is miniature Training Grounds seems like a great way to get someone thinking on how to break it. 1st: Boogymanjunior - I think you found the middle ground between the source material and making a great MTG card. 2nd: Daij_Djan - It's wordy, but it works, it works well, and I can already see EDHREC putting up a page for it. 3rd: ameisenmeister - I like the concept, it's almost perfect, just ditch the middle ability and you're good. |
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Post by Boogymanjunior on Feb 6, 2020 20:49:52 GMT
Wow, thank you for the win and the nice judging, both to me and in general.
As I am unfortunately not that well-versed in games, I at least start with sticking to two movies/franchises. One universally known like one of the choices before, and one lesser, but still well known one:
Lord of the Rings: please note that although I would look into the background nevertheless, I only saw the original trilogy. If you want to choose one of the Hobbit trilogy, that's completely fine, but if you then also make a super-niche flavour choice, there is a possibility I might miss the background.
Spirited Away
Have fun!
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Till then, there is already a small card flow here so let's just see what happens.
Wording inspired by 
