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Post by vizionarius on Mar 8, 2023 17:50:57 GMT
Idea, I like the prompt! Actually, I was not focused on Magic at all when these cards were out, so this is a neat "new" mechanic for me. Excited to come up with some. Also... this totally feels like it could be a non-un-mechanic... (will edit this post with actual designs.)
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Post by Flo00 on Mar 8, 2023 21:50:33 GMT
Praying | Hoplite Hast creature - Human Soldier When this creature enters the battlefield, | exile cards from the top of your library until you reveal an Aura or Equipment card. Put that card on the battlefield attached to this creature and shuffle the rest into your library. 1/1 Blessed Enchantment Creature - Whenever another enchantment enters the battlefield under your control, Augment (, Reveal this card from your hand: Combine it with target host. Augment only as a sorcery.)+2/+2 They don't neccessaryly have to give an extra creature type, right? Also the "another" is actually not needed, since augument works like mutate and the card doesn't enter the battlefield. (At least I hope so for the sake of consistency.) Heroic Creature - Human First strike Heroic — Whenever you cast a spell that targets this creature, Augment (, Reveal this card from your hand: Combine it with target host. Augment only as a sorcery.)+0/+0 While the first will give you all Auras from your deck on one very blessed Hoplite (unless you are foolish ehough to play Equipments), the second will give you one extra for each time you show how heroic your hoplite is.
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Post by Idea on Mar 9, 2023 1:31:32 GMT
Idea, I like the prompt! Actually, I was not focused on Magic at all when these cards were out, so this is a neat "new" mechanic for me. Excited to come up with some. Also... this totally feels like it could be a non-un-mechanic... (will edit this post with actual designs.) In fairness, there are a few silver-specific things about it like the weird frames, plus there's been a lot that's been introduced in mechanics over the years that used to be borderline silver-exclusive (pun not intended), dice for instance.
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moweda
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Post by moweda on Mar 9, 2023 5:25:26 GMT
I had never seen these before either. Pretty awesome concept! Soul | Devourer Host Creature - Horror When this creature enters the battlefield, | target opponent loses life equal to this creature's power. 3/2 Shady Creature - Shade : This creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn. When this creature dies, Augment +1/+1 Ghastly Creature - Spirit Wither Whenever a creature dealt damage by this creature this turn dies, Augment +2/+1
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Post by vizionarius on Mar 9, 2023 20:44:48 GMT
Sticker | Collector Host Creature - | Guest When this creature enters the battlefield, | you get , then, if you own ~, you may put a sticker on it. 2/2 Phyrexian Pub-| Creature - Phyrexian | (in)Toxicated 3 (As ~ combines with a host, put 3 poison counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, move a poison counter from ~ onto target opponent.)Whenever an opponent gets a poison counter, | Augment (, Reveal this card from your hand: Combine it with target host. Augment only as a sorcery.)+3/-1 Garruk the | Legendary Planeswalker Creature - Garruk | : Create a 3/3 green Beast creature token. : Target creature you control fights target creature you don't control. When a creature dies this way, | Augment (, Reveal this card from your hand: Combine it with target host. Augment only as a sorcery.)+3/+3
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pernicious
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Post by pernicious on Mar 10, 2023 21:24:05 GMT
Unremarkable | Potato Host Creature - Plant When this creature enters the battlefield, | you gain 3 life. If it can host an evil AI mastermind, it can host pretty much anything else. 0/1
Friar Creature - Human Priest Whenever you gain life for the first or second time in a turn,
Augment "Don't worry, my chow will help you keep going."
+1/+3
Jin- Legendary Creature - Phyrexian Praetor Whenever a player draws a card, "What are you doing with my head, you incompleat freak?"
+3/+2
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Post by Idea on Mar 17, 2023 11:14:47 GMT
Planning on giving this a look early tomorrow.
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Post by Idea on Mar 18, 2023 18:16:33 GMT
Flo00{Spoiler} Praying Hoplite is a nicely designed host card. I'm not sure about an effect that lets you cheat out cards at that rarity for that cost in what can easily become a recurring way, but I couldn't find much of anything with that kind of effect, which admittedly I do find odd. I would've probably raised the cost by at least . Blessed really makes a pretty powerful combo with this one, but since both cards seem individually balanced (mostly) I'm fine with that. Both Blessed and Heroic seem like pretty fitting augment cards and I like how you explored these new concepts from magic into the old silver border through enchantment creature stuff. The one thing I would complain about aside from that potential cost matter is that the words 'blessed' and 'heroic' are two words I could easily see Wizards wanting to make cards for and these don't seem nearly generic enough to work as one-word cards with words that common. moweda{Spoiler}I very much like the effect of Soul Devourer as a host. It's something which will naturally vary as you play an augment making for a pretty fun-seeming self-referential effect. I also love the reference to the Shade card archetype with your Shade! Overall great balance too.
Ghastly I'm not as big a fan of, but it's a card that works nonetheless I feel. vizionarius{Spoiler}Aaaah man, I knew the day would come I would actually need to look into stickers. So I did, and I guess Sticker Collector seems acceptable (probably) if a bit niche in terms of so many parasitic mechanics.
Phyrexian Pub is a pretty neat card if limited by the fact the game will always be over at 10 poison counters (well, standard games anyways). So there is a hard maximum of 10 triggers and your opponent will probably fight for dear life to prevent you from keeping anything that can poison them if experience is anything to go by (because proliferate and the like can only start getting you once the first counter is in, and once they do it can really spread). I do love the wordplay in this card as well as the use of stuff like phyrexian mana and a - to toughness that give this card even more strategic flare due to having you make choices with trade-offs.
A planeswalker augment is a pretty neat idea too. I can't recall when planeswalkers were introduced as a card type (first ones I can think of were the Ajani and Nicol Bolas cards from their duel deck back in Alara). I think it works in terms of abilities and I have to wonder what ways there could be to put loyalty counters on a creature ahead of turning it into a planeswalker.
pernicious{Spoiler}Ok, that potato thing is hilarious. That's excellent in a silver border format. And of course a food gives you 3 life. *clap clap clap* Friar is a nice addition with repeated triggers when combined with your Unremarkable Potato or with Adorable Kitten. In a more normal format it might even had combined with life gain triggers (like Ajani's Pridemate) more than some other life gain cards by giving you multiple triggers at once. Jin is the one card I'm not as big a fan of in this batch. Don't get me wrong, I love the concept and I wish there was a real version of it just so I could experience the hilarity, but in the end of the day a +3/+2 bonus and card draw trigger just don't justify a seven mana cost. Winner {Spoiler}This victory goes to pernicious for some designs that are (mostly) mechanically well-designed and evocative, plus being hilarious, which I really is the essence of silver border, ain't it? Fun, funny and interesting. As a very close runner up, moweda for some interesting mechanics and call-backs.
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pernicious
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Post by pernicious on Mar 19, 2023 20:09:33 GMT
Thank you for the win, Idea. I agree, Jin-'s augment cost should have been lower by 1 or 2.
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Post by Idea on Mar 22, 2023 15:44:05 GMT
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Post by Flo00 on Mar 23, 2023 20:26:21 GMT
Cardstle Land When Cardstle enters the battlefield, exile all lands you control. You have 1 minute to build anything you want with only those cards. Then don’t touch anything for 10 seconds. Return all lands to the battlefield tapped and put a storage counter on Cardstle for each 5cm/2inch it was over the table at the end of the 10 seconds. : Add . , Remove a storage counter from Cardstle: Add two mana of any one color. I'm not sure the effect is clear. You have to build a card house with Cardstle in ti as high as possible. Nothing forbids you to fold, rip or cut the cards (as long as you own them).
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Post by Idea on Mar 23, 2023 21:05:07 GMT
Nothing forbids you to fold, rip or cut the cards (as long as you own them). Wasn't there a tournament rule saying you can't rip cards because of that one time a guy ripped up a chaos orb for a win?
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Post by vizionarius on Mar 28, 2023 2:38:16 GMT
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pernicious
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Post by pernicious on Mar 29, 2023 14:54:05 GMT
Idea - I like the way you can use the card as an actual mask, it's a clever design. My only critiques are: the textbox is a bit too wordy, I think that giving absorb 2 to a player is really OP for that mana cost, and I would have liked if it was "Enchanted player has...as long as they hold Mask of Sun Protection over their face." instead.
Flo00 - That's a fun design, but I think that in most cases (except maybe Commander games) it will enter the battlefield with one or zero storage counters.
vizionarius - Strictly better and funnier than Boomerang. Good flavor text and good art, it really gives me an Unhinged vibe.
The winner is vizionarius! With flo00 as runnerup.
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Post by vizionarius on Mar 29, 2023 17:50:35 GMT
Thanks for the win! "Broomerang" just popped into my head randomly and I couldn't not make use of it!
Next: Make an un-card that enchants a Zone (the zones are: hand, library, graveyard, exile, battlefield, stack, command, and ante).
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Post by Idea on Mar 30, 2023 1:53:09 GMT
So, some rulings as to the phrase "separate battlefields are treated as battlefields from separate games" -Lands in one battlefield cannot be used to cast together with lands in another battlefield, though a card is not on the battlefield when it's cast, so it can be cast using mana from either battlefield, just not both -When a spell is cast it enters a battlefield of one's choice -Creatures can only interact (block, use an ability on...) with creatures in the same battlefield -Static effects affect the battlefield the card with the static effect is on This would probably go on a reminder card that would be found frequently in a set, especially as the mechanic is designed as a new card subtype meaning there would be more.
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moweda
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Post by moweda on Mar 30, 2023 3:40:32 GMT
Consecration Enchantment - Aura Eulogy Enchant graveyard When ~ enters the battlefield, choose a color. When a card of the chosen color would enter enchanted graveyard, exile it instead.
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Post by vizionarius on Apr 10, 2023 16:50:11 GMT
Judging on Wednesday.
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Post by Flo00 on Apr 10, 2023 20:20:56 GMT
Leave Me Alone! Enchantment - Aura Enchant zone (The zones are battlefield, stack, exile, command zone, ante, one player’s hand, one player’s library and one player’s graveyard.)Whenever a card leaves enchanted zone, you gain 1 life. Then if that zone has no cards in it, Leave Me Alone! becomes a 2/2 Avatar creature with first strike instead of an enchantment.
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Post by vizionarius on Apr 12, 2023 17:52:34 GMT
FeedbackIdea : Reminds me of Space Beleren! (Which does not have an acorn...). I quite like your iteration of it. I think it should be a mythic rare, though... It's very strong and complex in its interactions! There is a rules issue with this being an Enchant Battlefield when casting, because you need to define the target even before the "whenever you cast a field" is put on the stack, meaning that the new battlefield doesn't exist yet. If you used the template on the __forms, where it becomes an Aura after it ETB, it would work. But I won't nitpick this here, just wanted to point it out for future designs to look out for it. I think it's a neat design that is decidedly "un" in feel. Neat addition to have the creature venture into the dungeon too. As much as I like this one, I'm not sure I'd like to see many Fields. Maybe a color cycle at mythic, but that's pretty much it. It adds a LOT of complexity and tracking required. I think it's fine to have this be in the reminder text even if it's the only field (it is an un-card after all!). moweda : I really like this! It think it could work readily within the rules as is... (assuming that enchanting zones is actually within the rules [it's not; 303.4: "An Aura enters the battlefield attached to an object or player" and 109.1: "An object is an ability on the stack, a card, a copy of a card, a token, a spell, a permanent, or an emblem"]). I like that you added the flavor subtype "Eulogy." I think the card is too weak (see Rest in Peace and Sanctifier en-Vec for similar effects). Yours is a 1-sided effect, but it doesn't exile the cards already there, and only works on a single color. I think if you added some additional effect, like gaining 1 life when a card of the chosen color gets exiled, I would like it a lot more. Flo00 : This is really neat! I didn't expect to see a generic "enchant zone" but I like it. Leaving the zone leading to gaining life is really a neat concept. You can stick it on a zone where it will likely remain for a long time, like a library or the battlefield, or to a zone that might become empty so you eventually get the 2/2, like someone's hand. This is a huge flavor win in my mind. Versatile, quirky, breaks the fourth-wall with it's name in a very un-way. I think it could have been an uncommon since it is a little more complex, but the cost and everything about it feels great! ResultWinner is Flo00 with a great un-design that checks off many boxes of what I'd expect to see from an un-card. I also really liked the other designs, but Flo00's stood out to me the most.
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Post by Flo00 on Apr 13, 2023 18:13:12 GMT
Thanks for the win vizionarius!
Next challenge: Since D&D AFR took dice rolling into black border, we ar in need of some quirkier ways of randomisation. Show mw what you can do!
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Post by Idea on Apr 13, 2023 22:53:00 GMT
So, dice are quite great for randomization for two reasons. One, they perform a task that is harder than it may appear of generating proper randomness. Most 'random' events can be skewed one way or another by some method, probabilities will hardly be even in a lot of cases. Second, most players can be expected to have some dice. Dice are an incredibly common thing in games and quite ancient yet lasting to this very day. Maybe you can't necessarily expect someone to have a d20 lying around at home, but a d6 is something they'll almost certainly have. I think any attempt at randomness, even in an unset, will have a hard time competing with those two qualities. Of course, other people's ideas may surprise me in how well they perform those functions, and that was kind of the challenge I decided to tackle in my own ideas. I present to you the two ideas I could fit into a card and preferred: Random number (online) generation + Betting Random number generation is kind of like the modern generation of dice. Since most people can probably be expected to have access to the internet and phones, it should be easy to access. It can also be quirky by going into way bigger numbers or strange ranges regular dice couldn't. Finally, I decided to pair it with a mechanic that tracks each roll and sums it, enabling new effects based on how full the Gauge is. Betting solves the problem by kind of leaving it to the players to decide what they feel is fair. While at face value this may not seem like randomness, it would be difficult for two people to agree that something is a fair bet if they aren't at least both convinced that things could go either way or that they both could have the advantage. So people's preferences should create a randomness or similar unknown. You could also set different results for up to seven possibilities (with some overlap): "You win"; "The other player wins"; "You Lose"; "The other player loses"; "You tie"; "Everyone wins"; "Everyone loses" Other ideas I ended up not going for: Online number request - like on a forum or social media. Silver border already involves people from outside the game, and you could just take the result from the first person. Would involve making a lot of semi-redundant posts though, and requiring social media interaction. Tons of dice - Dice may already be a part of the game, but in silver you could have a metric ton of them. People love the clickity clack. Probably would've included this one if I had more space, and wasn't picked on top because it's frankly just not as creative I feel. Decks of Cards - As in traditional cards. Most people probably have a set as well. Issue is it would probably get too wordy to use this.
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alman
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Post by alman on Apr 14, 2023 23:21:48 GMT
Same rules as in the other games: Last winner makes challenge, then judges after some undefined amount of days. You know the drill. Only here, you are not allowed to do traditional black-bordered cards. Only wacky stuff like silver-borders, acorns and play-test cards are allowed.
And here is your first challenge: Grab a random non-funny mythic rare and make a funny card inspired by it. (Please also tell me which card you got.)I got Smokestack, which is already kinda funny but who cares Attachments:
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Post by Idea on Apr 15, 2023 0:30:46 GMT
alman I’m afraid you replied to the wrong challenge. That one’s been over for a long time now.
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alman
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Post by alman on Apr 15, 2023 11:09:02 GMT
alman I’m afraid you replied to the wrong challenge. That one’s been over for a long time now. oh lol holy shit it was like 3 months ago
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alman
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Post by alman on Apr 15, 2023 11:34:18 GMT
I just made 5 new phyrexian praetors even though they're all dead, and all of them have mutate because it's my favorite keyword lol.
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alman
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Post by alman on Apr 15, 2023 11:35:06 GMT
and the other two:
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Post by Daij_Djan on Apr 15, 2023 22:22:52 GMT
Not sure if I really like this - the concept sounded fun in my head, but it's rather wordy even with such a simple reward in the end..
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Post by Flo00 on Apr 26, 2023 20:54:00 GMT
Will attempt to judge this on Sunday. No promises. alman while those paetors are interesting cards, I don't see how they fit the current challenge - or this thread. Maybe you wanted to post them somewhere else?
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alman
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Post by alman on Apr 29, 2023 20:58:53 GMT
i didnt even post for a challenge lol
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