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Post by Daij_Djan on Apr 20, 2022 13:47:24 GMT
Time to revive this! Ironically, the reason I originally didn't want to be the first one to respond is that I don't really know how – and that didn't really change.. Thing is, I don't really play Limited in the first place – Alara block was the only time I ever bought a booster box with my playgroup and us making own Sealed event.. Also I played a few rounds of Draft a while back on Arena – but really not many games, and with me currently still boycotting the program that's not really relevant either.. So as longs as I've been interested in set releases, I've always followed the spoiler season – even though not as much recently due to (as we talked about a while back) some product fatigue.. So yeah.. As mentioned, I don't really have much to say to this question, sorry. Hopefully, I'll be able to spark (← lame planeswalker reference) interest in this discussion anew  |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Apr 20, 2022 15:41:34 GMT
Nope. Life is short. I want to be able to talk about cards with people I play while they're still thinking about them, before they're outed as good/bad in whatever formats they currently play. Spoiler season is the most exciting time for many people because everyone can only speculate about how well a card will do in a deck.
Probably Scars of Mirrodin block. Not knowing whether Mirrodin or Phyrexia would win sounds exciting. Ironically, I believe that was also one of the least secure blocks in production because all of New Phyrexia got leaked very early and spoiled the outcome, so I'm sure a few others feel the same.
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ArkiThe7th
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Any plant is edible if you’re not a coward.
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Favorite Card: Wee Dragonauts
Favorite Set: Pauper Masters (wait a second...)
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Post by ArkiThe7th on Apr 25, 2022 11:27:19 GMT
With most sets, I don't try to remain unspoiled, but I also don't go out of my way to stay up-to-date with all the spoiled cards. I often get burnt out of spoiler season with how frequently new sets are releasing. I barely looked at the New Capenna spoilers even though I was really excited for the set.
I think it would've been really cool to go into War of the Spark unspoiled. It would be awesome to be surprised by the new Planeswalkers and Planeswalker passive abilities on pre-release day. I think it would've been very difficult to not get any spoilers for WoS, though.
Anyway, it seems like my question wasn't very discussion provoking, so it might be best to just move on to the next one.
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Post by foureyesisafish on Apr 26, 2022 20:32:56 GMT
I don't think there's any set I've gone unspoiled for or would go unspoiled for. It's just not how I tend to appreciate sets.
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on May 14, 2022 1:24:03 GMT
Wow, it's been a whole month, huh? Looks like we're waitin' on you. sdfkjgh
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Post by Daij_Djan on May 14, 2022 11:51:39 GMT
Wow, it's been a whole month, huh? Looks like we're waitin' on you. sdfkjgh I've received a short mail from him a few days ago - have been too busy to pass the message, though. It seems like his laptop suddenly broke down and is currently getting fixed in a shop. |
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Post by sdfkjgh on Dec 9, 2022 21:06:54 GMT
Oops, necroed the wrong thread.So, right off the bat, it feels weird getting back into this after being away for so long. I like to follow every set's spoiler season, seeing all the new &/or returning cards, marveling at the new art (although I really wish they'd increase the fontsize for the artist credit; you've got all that room, WotC, would it kill you to go up a point or two?!), but lately, with the faucet turned all the way up, and the handle broken off, I'm starting to suffer fatigue-induced apathy. And then there's this bullshit.There's never actually been a set that I regretted following the spoilers, but that was during the Before Times, in the Long Long Ago. Now that there's a spoiler "season" every week it seems, I'm finding it hard to keep up. As an example, take the Alchemy releases. At first, when they said that it would just be rebalances of existing cards, I thought that that was an excellent idea, especially since the various nerfs and tweaks implemented seemed to show that at least someone knew what they were doing. But then came the new designs, the spellbook cards, the perpetual cards, and more and more, Alchemy changed from a way to correct past mistakes to a blatant grab at #Dat HearthstoneMoney, leading to even moar design & development mistakes. There's just too much, too fast, too soon. If no one objects, let's move on to our Fourth Question, from foureyesisafish: Thoughts on the return of phyrexian mana and compleat?Now, mind you, when this question was first planned to be asked, we were still in the immediate post-NEO spoiler season, so if you want to ask a different Question, foureyesisafish, let us know. Once again, I apologise for everything that's happened to forestall me from continuing this episode.
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Post by sdfkjgh on Dec 16, 2022 16:03:10 GMT
Should we who remain continue on without our missing Panelists?
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Dec 17, 2022 8:46:03 GMT
I'm game. Long story short, I think it's a good way to have the mechanic return in a fair and balanced fashion. Phyrexian Mana was generally busted because it resulted in spells being able to be played for free or at extremely cheap off-color prices. Using it on Planeswalkers that will still be relatively expensive even if the Phyrexian mana cost is paid (see the new Nissa) makes it a lot harder to break and compleat lets it scale a bit better in terms of things. Flavor-wise, WoTC has said here and there the events of ONE/MOM will "change the fabric of the multiverse", which seems like we're meant to be going into a new generation of Magic (and with it a new generation of PWs). Pretty much all the PWs that have been compleated so far are ones that at least a decade old - it seems like WoTC intends to clean house with a good chunk of old PWs so that they can try to flavorfully introduce a new generation. (Though, given how poorly written the old generation was a good chunk of the time, I'm not expecting much here.) Y'all remember when those icky "Neowalkers" first came out and forums were writing open letters to try and protest their existence? Now they're Phyrexians and sometimes don't even represent Planeswalkers. Guess people liked them after all. =P |
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ArkiThe7th
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Any plant is edible if you’re not a coward.
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Favorite Set: Pauper Masters (wait a second...)
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Post by ArkiThe7th on Dec 17, 2022 19:58:49 GMT
Thankfully, I am not dead! I think the implementation of Phyrexian Mana with Compleated is quite elegant. In its current state, I don't think Magic could support Phyrexian mana used like it was in New Phyrexia (and it couldn't then either). So it's nice to get a little taste of it with Compleated walkers. I do really like Phyrexian mana as a concept, but it's just very, very difficult to use in a balanced way. I could see a similar implementation of Phyrexian mana in non-Planeswalker spells as well. Spells that give the player the option of casting them for less, but with a loss of power with the cheaper cost. Flavor-wise, WoTC has said here and there the events of ONE/MOM will "change the fabric of the multiverse", which seems like we're meant to be going into a new generation of Magic (and with it a new generation of PWs). Pretty much all the PWs that have been compleated so far are ones that at least a decade old - it seems like WoTC intends to clean house with a good chunk of old PWs so that they can try to flavorfully introduce a new generation. (Though, given how poorly written the old generation was a good chunk of the time, I'm not expecting much here.) I'd be happy if WoTC takes the story in this direction (assuming it's done well, that is). I like Phyrexia as much as the next player, but moving away from multiverse-spanning conflicts and villains would be a welcome change. I think focusing more on self-contained stories with a new generation of walkers would be nice. |
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Post by sdfkjgh on Dec 28, 2022 19:37:34 GMT
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Dec 29, 2022 0:34:40 GMT
It's been so long that I discovered cloning technology and now have a body again. And my spark back. What, so I'm just some outdated freeloader now? Your big evil demon that you made for this commentary group?Yep. sdfkjgh Gonna suggest that we try to keep these delays to no longer than a week btw. |
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Post by Daij_Djan on Dec 29, 2022 13:29:34 GMT
I'm here, I'm here!
Christmas time was quite busy - and then I completely forgot to look into this part of the forum, it's been way too long..
I think it's quite funny how this old question is now basically more relevant than ever. With the ten walker list we got, five to become completed for real and the rest to at least get some "what if?" versions (if I heard correctly?)..
As far as my opinion on Compleated as a mechanic is concerned, I completely aree with ZephyrPhantom - the walker designs fix the two major issues phyrexian mana had last time:
- Since they do require at least one mana pip per color you can't put them into an offcolor deck.
- Paying with life gives them less starting loyalty which nicely balances the power level.
Imagine if the old designs would have worked like that - for example compare Dismember to something like..
Instant  Target creature gets -X/-X until end of turn, where X is equal to 5 minus half the amount of life paid to cast this spell.
Would have been much fairer, no?
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Post by sdfkjgh on Dec 29, 2022 20:54:07 GMT
I'm here, I'm here!
Christmas time was quite busy - and then I completely forgot to look into this part of the forum, it's been way too long..
I think it's quite funny how this old question is now basically more relevant than ever. With the ten walker list we got, five to become completed for real and the rest to at least get some "what if?" versions (if I heard correctly?)..
As far as my opinion on Compleated as a mechanic is concerned, I completely aree with ZephyrPhantom - the walker designs fix the two major issues phyrexian mana had last time:
- Since they do require at least one mana pip per color you can't put them into an offcolor deck.
- Paying with life gives them less starting loyalty which nicely balances the power level.
Imagine if the old designs would have worked like that - for example compare Dismember to something like..
Instant Target creature gets -X/-X until end of turn, where X is equal to 5 minus half the amount of life paid to cast this spell.
Would have been much fairer, no?
I do know that many have said that Dismember (which memeber?) would've been fixed had they used that mana cost, and made no other changes. EDIT: Also, ZephyrPhantom's right, we should institute a cutoff point. From now on, if a week of dead air has passed, with no word from the person we're all waiting on, then the episode is to proceed without them. This includes me. This is why we have the backstage discussions about the Questions, so that if I'm ever waylayed (or anyone else, for that matter), then *tada!* the show must go on.Are we all agreed on this? |
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Post by Daij_Djan on Dec 30, 2022 15:26:27 GMT
Are we all agreed on this? Sounds good to me  |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Dec 31, 2022 20:13:58 GMT
Sure am, though I guess that would clear already. =P
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Post by sdfkjgh on Dec 31, 2022 23:00:43 GMT
God, I hope it's not just the three of us left, that'd just be a little sad. Come one, come all! See the most mediocre show on Earth as it peters out in real time!  |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Dec 31, 2022 23:04:02 GMT
Oh, it'll live. Now if you'll just sign riiiight here...
By Emrakul's name, at least find a body that won't decay or something before you show up with an offer!
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jan 11, 2023 10:03:03 GMT
Guess we were all waiting on me. Sorry. Compleat as a mechanic is an excellent way to balance what is essentially a cost-reduction mechanic, and those have never gone on to bite R&D right in the ass, now have they? Frankly, there needs to be more tradeoffs of power for paying less for something; you all know my position on the phrase "without paying its mana cost". Ok, for our Fifth Question, I had to go back through the backstage archives to remind me, and feel free to jump in here and clean up the templating &/or make the Question itself more succinct, Daij_Djan , but right now it's 2:05am & I've yet to take my meds, so I'm just gonna copipe: It could be taken quite seriously, but might actually fit best as the final more humorous question since we can only speculate anyways? I've so far only skimmed through the story except for the epilogue
[/quote], where one small paragraph stuck in my head:[/div] "Tamiyo [...] settled back in her seat, glancing briefly at the three iron-bound scrolls she swore never to use. She'd always believed they were far too powerful and risked causing great destruction.
But she also promised to intervene if there was ever an immediate threat to the place—and people—she considered home.
Phyrexia was her family now. And there was nothing she wouldn't do for her family."
We know one of the three was used when sealing Emrakul - but the titan might have altered its magic to imprison herself - but what will the other two do? We apparently do know their topics, but what great destructions could they cause..? [/b][/b] |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jan 11, 2023 19:25:58 GMT
I have a little script here saying "Universes Beyond becomes canon" that oughtta be sent to WoTC. I'm sure it'll become a smash hit!
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Post by Daij_Djan on Jan 12, 2023 19:21:56 GMT
Well so, it's been one year since I came up with the idea for this question. Back then, we could have nicely speculated, which devastating terrors Tamiyo was so afraid of, she wouldn't even dare use them against the Eldrazi Eldritch horrors – but today, we don't have to speculate anymore. Today, we know. One of the scrolls has just recently gotten (partly?) leaked, containing content to end entire worlds for sure. It's apparently called OGL 1.1 – be afraid, be very, very afraid.. And as far as the other scroll is concerned – we know its full contents. In fact, it got into the Professor's hands, and he has put up a video, reading it out in its entirety: |
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jan 12, 2023 22:30:21 GMT
Jesus. I could feel myself going even more insane every time he said "The Astrology Lands". Who the fuck were they for?!
Mebbe we should be demanding WotC & Hasbro release the purchasing info on all these products, so that we all KNOW exactly who they're for. That way, when they say "It's just not for you", we can shove it in their faces when it's proven that it isn't actually for ANYONE!
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jan 13, 2023 2:01:32 GMT
This just in, your horoscope now determines what you'll get in your Secret Lair Heads or Tails Turbo III Special Edition featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series and Knuckles - still delayed, of course!
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jan 21, 2023 3:32:10 GMT
Dangit, I need to keep better track of this. In my notes for this episode, and this Question in particular, all I have is "s1e14q5 serious answer", and this missive: section beginning "Innistrad's moon is made entirely out of silver,".As for some silly answers, here goes: 1) One scroll enrolls all who hear its reading into an inescapable timeshare on the Rock of Gibraltar. The other replaces the ISP of everyone who hears its reading with AOL Blakk, the AOL for black people 1. 2) Scroll A ismight be SCP-055, and Scroll B definitely isn't. 3) Scroll A contains all the lyrics to an alternate reality's version of the album Kid A, and Scroll B contains the cease and desist letter from that reality's lawyers preventing the reading of the former. 4) Scroll A contains a recipe for a claimed "Better Than Sex Cake"; and Scroll B contains a recipe that upon reading, reorients your entire sexuality towards baked goods. 5) You all know about binary explosives, right? Well, how about this: both Scrolls contain absolute gibberish, but if one is read within 5 minutes of reading the other, it causes your head to explode, your thyroid to turn into an equivalent weight of popped Chintzy-Pop, and your figgin to be placed upon a spike. 7) Two words: explosive weltanschauung. 8) Scroll A: "This scroll has been intentianlly left blank." Scroll B (in highly visible, neon ink): "This scroll has been written in invisible ink." When subjected to every single analytical test, all results show that that is the only ink and writing present on the scroll. Considering that some of those tests operate outside of time, we can confidently say that there never has been, nor will there ever be, any other ink or writing on that scroll. 9) Scroll A: 87,933.2 nautical miles of nothing but "Yo Mamma" jokes. Scroll B: 5" of "My Momma" jokes. 10) Scroll A: Complete instructions on how to 3D-print a clone copy of David Letterman. Scroll B: The same, but all in Welsh. Produces a Welsh equivalent who goes by "Dafydd Llythyrwr". Welp, if ZephyrPhantom has no answers, silly or serious, they want to post, then this might be the end of the Episode. Sorry it took this long. 1Yes, this is (or rather, was) an actual thing, and I wish I was just joking about it. I actually recieved a copy of the CD-ROM for it in the mail years ago, about a year and a half or so before AOL lost all relevance. |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jan 21, 2023 5:41:34 GMT
(The last few posts were technically my answer)
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jan 21, 2023 8:15:24 GMT
Good enough for me. This has been The (now much-reduced) MageLaughlin Group, I'm the asshole who couldn't keep his laptop secured, and this has been Episode 14/15, Season 1. Whomever's left in the Panel, now's the time for goodbyes for this Episode. |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jan 22, 2023 10:04:43 GMT
Well, now that all the wonderful tension and drama of my conflict was wasted on you all, I guess I'll stick around and bother everyone anyway. Hey, Teferi, how's that time machine going lately?
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jan 22, 2023 19:36:11 GMT
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jan 27, 2023 16:37:54 GMT
Daij_Djan: You got anything to add before we close out the episode?
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Post by Daij_Djan on Jan 29, 2023 16:41:58 GMT
Well, this for sure was an interesting round. Funny how despite our hiatus the remaing questions stayed relevant - or became even more relevant to some degree.
Hope our next round won't take as long to finish as this one did - but realistically speaking, something like this was bound to happen at some point with me being involved. There is the running joke of my sets taking years to preview after all, right (remember when I said I would finish spoiling Karsus after mving to the new forum.. )?
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