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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Dec 2, 2021 17:10:40 GMT
0/4 body is faar to much. fine otherwise -- may still be fine if it could counter cmc 2 i guess -- the effect is slow enought to argue with it.  , especially in Blue. I don't see why a scaled-up variant at  is too much, especially when the extremely slow speed of the effect means it's much much weaker than cards like Spell Snare or Mental Misstep (where the instant speed is key to shutting down entire turns or game-winning plays.) |
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Post by viriss on Dec 2, 2021 18:40:08 GMT
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the5lacker
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Post by the5lacker on Dec 2, 2021 19:09:55 GMT
The Harlequin: It's a legendary creature with a mana cost of  . That's the challenge. If you're gonna get on me for that, we've got several entries with kickers that are literally just "I can't put an X in the mana cost." At least my card does something when you actually just pay the to cast it. 
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the5lacker
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Post by the5lacker on Dec 2, 2021 19:13:27 GMT
0/4 body is faar to much. fine otherwise -- may still be fine if it could counter cmc 2 i guess -- the effect is slow enought to argue with it. , especially in Blue. I don't see why a scaled-up variant at is too much, especially when the extremely slow speed of the effect means it's much much weaker than cards like Spell Snare or Mental Misstep (where the instant speed is key to shutting down entire turns or game-winning plays.) Countering spells is in no way, shape, or form a "small upside." Especially in eternal formats, being able to make a blocker that can be exchanged for a counter to the likes of Lightning Bolt, Path of Exile, etc. is crazy. |
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Post by The Harlequin on Dec 2, 2021 19:28:50 GMT
the5lackerwell, it is my oppinion. seems you aren't alone with disliking it ;-) and aye, i don't like cheesy dodge attemps for avoiding contest boundries. but as long as they are in the borderline setting of the rules -- what can ya do. conform is conform. it is a simple enought setting and shouldn't be exploited imo. but well ppl do what they do. ZephyrPhantomwhat the5lacker said. thanks for that i guess :-) it survives far too much on it's own for the "small upside" of being a huge tempo swing in ya favour. 0/2 would be a much better stat line -- to keep it fair and dealable with cmc 1 spells. but we are in legendary teritory, so a walking 0/3 spell snair with an activation cost of U would be fine by my thinking process -- but even that may be debatable.
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Vunik
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Post by Vunik on Dec 2, 2021 20:24:21 GMT
I tried to come up with something that acted more like a puzzle - in this case, it needs flash to get the full use, but doesn't have it natively. Most likely a set with it would have a higher-than-normal amount of flash-giving cards, or this could be aimed at constructed. The base line is probably too strong on this one.
Decarnate, of the Ages Legendary Creature - Bird ~ costs  more to cast if it's not your main phase. If you cast ~ during a phase other than your main phase, return all creatures to their owner's hand. Flying Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, draw a card. [1/1]
Also, I have no idea if the current wording allows you to get the Aetherize effect on your post-combat main phase. This concept got a lot more complicated when I shifted from "Aetherize + bird for " on main phase to "Aetherize + bird for " on anything else. (Also, "Aetherize + bird for " on main phase felt too much like subverting the challenge.) |
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Post by pacifistwestwoman on Dec 2, 2021 20:53:02 GMT
Vunik I think the current version of this would also return Decarnate to your hand, meaning that you can make it so that no one gets to have creatures for the rest of the game if you keep casting it.
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Post by hydraheadhunter on Dec 2, 2021 21:29:57 GMT
I tried to come up with something that acted more like a puzzle - in this case, it needs flash to get the full use, but doesn't have it natively. Most likely a set with it would have a higher-than-normal amount of flash-giving cards, or this could be aimed at constructed. The base line is probably too strong on this one.
Decarnate, of the Ages Legendary Creature - Bird ~ costs more to cast if it's not your main phase. If you cast ~ during a phase other than your main phase, return all creatures to their owner's hand. Flying Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, draw a card. [1/1]
Also, I have no idea if the current wording allows you to get the Aetherize effect on your post-combat main phase. This concept got a lot more complicated when I shifted from "Aetherize + bird for " on main phase to "Aetherize + bird for " on anything else. (Also, "Aetherize + bird for " on main phase felt too much like subverting the challenge.) I think you have to give it flash, or "as though it had flash," to be able to actually cast it for the rest of its abilities. |
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Post by bastardneko on Dec 2, 2021 22:44:48 GMT
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Vunik
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Post by Vunik on Dec 2, 2021 23:52:22 GMT
pacifistwestwoman I did a quick google search, and since it's a cast trigger, Decarnate is still on the stack when all creatures are bounced, so it itself won't be bounced. However, I'll probably add an "other" to that clause, just to make that more clear.
hydraheadhunter Maybe I'm missing something or misinterpreting your comment, but the entire point of the card is that it doesn't have flash or the ability to give itself flash. That's something you'd have to work towards, and could be a payoff in a flash-centric deck. (Are those a thing? I'd be surprised if they weren't a thing.)
. . . Unless you're saying that the cost modification/additional effect doesn't work, which I don't see how that's the case. The first clause is a static modifier, saying that if it's not a main phase, the cost is . The second ability is basically inverse addendum. And as we see in addendum, the game and cards know when you're in a main phase, so it would be really weird if it couldn't do a "!main phase" concept, to borrow programming lingo. |
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Post by aquonn on Dec 3, 2021 0:15:00 GMT
Wasn't quite satisfied with the name of this one, but I'm pretty happy with it mechanically. In 60-card constructed could be an interesting option for storm decks if they have methods to hit it consistently enough, and in EDH lends itself to clone tribal. |
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the5lacker
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Post by the5lacker on Dec 3, 2021 0:30:59 GMT
pacifistwestwoman I did a quick google search, and since it's a cast trigger, Decarnate is still on the stack when all creatures are bounced, so it itself won't be bounced. However, I'll probably add an "other" to that clause, just to make that more clear.
hydraheadhunter Maybe I'm missing something or misinterpreting your comment, but the entire point of the card is that it doesn't have flash or the ability to give itself flash. That's something you'd have to work towards, and could be a payoff in a flash-centric deck. (Are those a thing? I'd be surprised if they weren't a thing.)
. . . Unless you're saying that the cost modification/additional effect doesn't work, which I don't see how that's the case. The first clause is a static modifier, saying that if it's not a main phase, the cost is . The second ability is basically inverse addendum. And as we see in addendum, the game and cards know when you're in a main phase, so it would be really weird if it couldn't do a "!main phase" concept, to borrow programming lingo. You'll also want to make that a "When" not an "If" considering it's a triggered ability and not... a replacement effect? Also you've given absolutely no ability for the card to be cast outside of the main phase. The card knows whether or not it's in the main phase, but it's a creature spell without flash, so it can only be cast during the main phase when the stack is empty and you have priority. |
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Post by hydraheadhunter on Dec 3, 2021 2:04:28 GMT
hydraheadhunter Maybe I'm missing something or misinterpreting your comment, but the entire point of the card is that it doesn't have flash or the ability to give itself flash. That's something you'd have to work towards, and could be a payoff in a flash-centric deck. (Are those a thing? I'd be surprised if they weren't a thing.) It's not typically considered good design to build a card that needs very specific cards to work. With exceptions, designing a card that needs one of about eight cards in its identity or twenty cards from across all identities (that give flash, allow players to cast a creature as though it had flash, or otherwise allow you to cast a creature at a time other than your main phase, either as part of the instant speed resolution or via trigger). The problem's not with the card itself but the scarcity of the effect it needs to work in the card pool. You're idea to give a potential deckbuilding payoff isn't unfounded, but there's might not sufficient tech in general to make it work, and there's definitely not sufficient tech in mono-blue to make it work (in my opinion). |
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Post by hydraheadhunter on Dec 3, 2021 2:16:47 GMT
Wasn't quite satisfied with the name of this one, but I'm pretty happy with it mechanically. In 60-card constructed could be an interesting option for storm decks if they have methods to hit it consistently enough, and in EDH lends itself to clone tribal. What changing out "the Ancestors" with a specific wizard, like Arcanis. There's a slight favor clash using Arcanis since part of his whole shtick is preventing others from becoming like him, so him giving knowledge to his descendants is a bit out of character; but even if Arcanis is a miss, having a specific peerage that these wizards are inhereting from might be that last bit of flavor that you feel the name is missing. |
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Post by shitting_ceratops on Dec 3, 2021 8:33:44 GMT
edit: changed the card due to colour pie concerns
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Post by Orion Rings on Dec 3, 2021 12:41:37 GMT
i've always loved brain in a jar because of the interesting deckbuilding choices it creates - you'll want to play cards you may not otherwise to get maximum value out of the mv restriction. here's a card tangentially related to that idea |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Dec 3, 2021 14:51:29 GMT
What is it with people this week and thinking "creature that's the ultimate blocker ever" is definitely fine for a single ? Because this forum's been a Kraken Hatchling circlejerk the whole time and we didn't realize it until this week. ALL HAIL THE KRAKEN HATCHLING.  the5lackerwell, it is my oppinion. seems you aren't alone with disliking it ;-) and aye, i don't like cheesy dodge attemps for avoiding contest boundries. but as long as they are in the borderline setting of the rules -- what can ya do. conform is conform. it is a simple enought setting and shouldn't be exploited imo. but well ppl do what they do. ZephyrPhantomwhat the5lacker said. thanks for that i guess :-) it survives far too much on it's own for the "small upside" of being a huge tempo swing in ya favour. 0/2 would be a much better stat line -- to keep it fair and dealable with cmc 1 spells. but we are in legendary teritory, so a walking 0/3 spell snair with an activation cost of U would be fine by my thinking process -- but even that may be debatable. I was originally running through a list of cards/decks to explain my logic for the design, but after reviewing some more Legacy lists I noticed that Cursecatcher and Mausoleum Wanderer objectively prove your point. I've reduced the P/T to 0/2. ALL HAIL THE KRAKEN HATCHLING |
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Post by sdfkjgh on Dec 3, 2021 17:37:13 GMT
i've always loved brain in a jar because of the interesting deckbuilding choices it creates - you'll want to play cards you may not otherwise to get maximum value out of the mv restriction. here's a card tangentially related to that idea Cute Thoughtbound Phantasm. |
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the5lacker
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Post by the5lacker on Dec 4, 2021 3:57:07 GMT
Because this forum's been a Kraken Hatchling circlejerk the whole time and we didn't realize it until this week. ALL HAIL THE KRAKEN HATCHLING. |
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the5lacker
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Post by the5lacker on Dec 4, 2021 3:59:15 GMT
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Rat
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Post by Rat on Dec 6, 2021 10:33:16 GMT
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the5lacker
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Post by the5lacker on Dec 6, 2021 14:25:40 GMT
sometimes beater go brrrrr Why not make it a 20/20 with "When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, you win the game" too if we're going to throw game balance out the window? |
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Post by shitting_ceratops on Dec 6, 2021 19:28:08 GMT
hm, our favourite mythic uncommon avalanche-caller would like a word with you, sir plus, imo a wizard's prowess triggers pumping his familiar seems legit blue to me...
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Post by Daij_Djan on Dec 6, 2021 20:07:21 GMT
hm, our favourite mythic uncommon avalanche-caller would like a word with you, sir plus, imo a wizard's prowess triggers pumping his familiar seems legit blue to me...
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Honestly, while your card could work in  , it's pretty much deeply  design in my eyes - especially with you having to sacrifice the tokens EOT..
Why not make it a 20/20 with "When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, you win the game" too if we're going to throw game balance out the window? Honestly, that card has a pretty big downside - I'm not sure if it's really as strong as you think. No matter what though, please watch your attitude.
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Post by shitting_ceratops on Dec 6, 2021 20:55:44 GMT
hm, our favourite mythic uncommon avalanche-caller would like a word with you, sir plus, imo a wizard's prowess triggers pumping his familiar seems legit blue to me...
vs Honestly, while your card could work in , it's pretty much deeply design in my eyes - especially with you having to sacrifice the tokens EOT..
Why not make it a 20/20 with "When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, you win the game" too if we're going to throw game balance out the window? Honestly, that card has a pretty big downside - I'm not sure if it's really as strong as you think. No matter what though, please watch your attitude!
Chellenge will be closed once I'm back home in around two hours thx for the clarification, havn't seen that maro articel before - very helpfull!
totally changed the card to make it more fitting.
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Post by Daij_Djan on Dec 6, 2021 23:18:26 GMT
Daij_Djan Leveler just need the counters to keep track of their level.
711.2b “{LEVEL N3+} [Abilities] [P/T]” means “As long as this creature has N3 or more level counters on it, it has base power and toughness [P/T] and has [abilities].” The rules themself specifically check for the number of level counters on the creature -- so as it stands atm ya card doesn't work as intented. Big thanks for the feedback - you're indeed right. I did consider simply changing my card to receive the counters as an ETB (and I might indeed do so if I ever revisit this concept in the future) but in the end decided against it, because I think if one (meaning we or WotC) ever reuses Levelers, this feels like an easy fix by making an addition to the Comp. Rules. In general not my preferred way to fix things (so it's absolutely fine if you disagree with me ), but I prefer how clean the card becomes this way.
thx for the clarification, havn't seen that maro articel before - very helpfull! totally changed the card to make it more fitting. Glad I could help Yeah, that article is really useful - so glad MaRo finally revisited it
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