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Post by Daij_Djan on Jul 6, 2020 20:48:12 GMT
Welcome to the Deckbuilders' Challenge originally created by sdfkjgh! To participate in this Contest you'll have to design a deck along the contest guidelines and throw it into the arena with other competitors' entries! At the end of every two weeks, a winner will be determined by forum poll, and the winner decides the challenge for the next fortnight's Contest! Here we go, competitors: our eighth challenge! The winner of the “Legendarily Obscure poll“ was myself with... |
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And the challenge issued by our winner was... Design a deck of any format which has either an average converted mana cost of 1 or less or of 4 or greater. Enjoy! Please provide a decklist using deckstats, tappedout or similar. Feel free to add some comments as they will be included in the final poll. Please provide a deck name as well as choose a card to represent your deck in the poll.And now, time to begin the challenge! Best of luck, competitors!
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Post by Lady Mapi on Jul 6, 2020 21:33:14 GMT
Just to clarify, we're including lands in that average mana cost, right?
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Post by Daij_Djan on Jul 6, 2020 22:31:50 GMT
Yes indeed
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jul 7, 2020 2:18:01 GMT
Hm, I feel like the first one is pretty easily cheesed by X spells and ramp, or possibly even a Polymorph deck. Still could be interesting though.
The second one might be a good chance to use some incredibly overcosted things I normally wouldn't consider. If I've got time I'm definitely going to think about this one.
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Post by Lady Mapi on Jul 7, 2020 6:53:56 GMT
OK, if lands count...
This deck has an average CMC of 0.5, despite all of the non-land cards having CMC 5.
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jul 7, 2020 17:50:50 GMT
Daij_Djan: Are sideboards included in the average?
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Post by Flo00 on Jul 7, 2020 19:47:13 GMT
BigDraziPoster card: Animar, Soul of ElementsAn Animar Deck with a high CMC and Eldrazi theme. I threw in some morphs for utility and to get Animar started. And to top it off, I got a Keruga sitting in the sideboard. There is even a Grozoth that can find up to 4 cards (3 Eldrazi and Blasphemous Act). It has an average CMC of 4.29 (not counting Keruga of course).
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jul 7, 2020 20:19:15 GMT
OK, if lands count... This deck has an average CMC of 0.5, despite all of the non-land cards having CMC 5. Dammit, how can anyone else hope to win the Shitposting on the Sevens trophy against such quality content? I guess you get to keep it another week, then.
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Post by Flo00 on Jul 7, 2020 21:04:49 GMT
I just looked it up and I think I was the only one who voted on that last poll. We should definitely find a way to make this more popular.
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jul 7, 2020 21:55:53 GMT
I just looked it up and I think I was the only one who voted on that last poll. We should definitely find a way to make this more popular. Maybe it's time to start putting it on the frontpage? From my general impression we have at least a small crowd of people (5-6) commenting regularly and theorizing deck ideas - it would be nice to get that turnout for votes as well. Also @ Daij_Djan since we're talking about it.
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jul 7, 2020 22:42:13 GMT
I just looked it up and I think I was the only one who voted on that last poll. We should definitely find a way to make this more popular. Maybe it's time to start putting it on the frontpage? From my general impression we have at least a small crowd of people (5-6) commenting regularly and theorizing deck ideas - it would be nice to get that turnout for votes as well. Also @ Daij_Djan since we're talking about it. Y'know, When I first proposed this Challenge category, I did suggest putting it on the frontpage.
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jul 7, 2020 23:17:52 GMT
Y'know, When I first proposed this Challenge category, I did suggest putting it on the frontpage. There were a few differences on how it was thought Deckbuilder's Challenge would be run back then, which is why we wanted a trial period first. When it comes to getting more discussion and attention, the frontpage is about as straightfoward an answer as it gets.
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thaneofglamis
8/8 Octopus
Thane's activated abilities can't be activated
Posts: 444
Favorite Card: Slimefoot, the Stowaway; Phyrexian Rager; Swarm Shambler
Favorite Set: Midnight Hunt
Color Alignment: Green
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Post by thaneofglamis on Jul 8, 2020 3:51:02 GMT
Good luck making a reasonable deck with average CMC 4 or greater - if you have 24 lands, every other card has to cost 7 or more mana for the average to be above 4. With 20 lands, you can manage a CMC of 6 for every other card, but you won't be casting any of 'em anytime soon.
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jul 8, 2020 23:17:27 GMT
Good luck making a reasonable deck with average CMC 4 or greater - if you have 24 lands, every other card has to cost 7 or more mana for the average to be above 4. With 20 lands, you can manage a CMC of 6 for every other card, but you won't be casting any of 'em anytime soon. With the sideboard, my Eldrazi deck manages 3.7bar3.
If I were to switch out 2 Heat Ray in the side for 1 Emrakul, the Promised End & 1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, that would bring the average up to 4.01bar3. Swap out the last Heat Ray for Kozilek, the Great Distortion, and we can omit that 0, for 4.1bar3.
Shame that deck must suffer for the sins of the Tournament scene.
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thaneofglamis
8/8 Octopus
Thane's activated abilities can't be activated
Posts: 444
Favorite Card: Slimefoot, the Stowaway; Phyrexian Rager; Swarm Shambler
Favorite Set: Midnight Hunt
Color Alignment: Green
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Post by thaneofglamis on Jul 9, 2020 4:25:36 GMT
Ah, I didn't realize it included the sideboard.
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Post by Flo00 on Jul 9, 2020 10:18:16 GMT
Well, that's actually an unanswered question. Daij_Djan: Are sideboards included in the average?
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Post by sdfkjgh on Jul 9, 2020 20:09:03 GMT
Flo00, thaneofglamis: Well, considering Daij_Djan is currently down for the count, I'm afraid it's gonna remain unanswered for the time being.
Also, unless just straight up "Kitchen Table Magic" is herein recognized as a valid format, I can't in good conscience actually consider my Eldrazi deck as an actual submission, as it contains a few cards that are banned in multiple formats.
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Post by Daij_Djan on Jul 10, 2020 15:57:57 GMT
Just answering the sideboard question before logging off again: You do not have to provide one. But if you do, it counts for the decks average CMC - however please don't use this for obvious cheating (so no putting 15 basic lands into it or just 15 CMC13+ cards unless there actually is a point ).
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jul 12, 2020 3:46:50 GMT
I made this after pondering thaneofglamis 's comment about how how playable a deck with all 6-7-CMC cards or above would be. Clocking in at a meaty average CMC of 4.27, I'd like to present: Self-Mill Heavyweights Decklist:This deck's core strategy is to use the Breaking half of Breaking / Entering to try and mill a ton of instants and sorceries into our graveyard. Since we are running mostly instants, sorceries, and lands, it is easy for us to bring the costs of any Cryptic Serpent, Bedlam Reveler, and Ore-Scale Guardian* we draw into a cost efficient range to throw down. The Discovery half of Discovery / Dispersal functions as Breakings 4-8, allowing us to have a high chance of milling ourselves on turn 2 to ramp into our payoffs. Failing that, we are capable of playing like a more traditional control deck with spells like Never / Return and Reduce / Rubble until we can put down a big creature on the board, likely accelerated out by our heavy use of instants, sorceries, and fetches. One of the benefits of having almost all our cards be Aftermath or Split Cards is that our spells can take on different roles at different stages of the game - if we're desperate for a creature, we can cast the Entering half of Breaking / Entering for example to fish out a fatty we milled into our graveyard. Perhaps if the graveyard is well stocked and we're looking to clear the board further instead of self-milling more, we can use the Dispersal half of Discovery / Dispersal to clear the way for another swing. This deck has very few dead draws as a result and is very flexible with its hands. *Note: I specifically chose payoffs that wouldn't have to worry about exiling cards in the graveyard so that it would be easy to drop multiple of these on the field at once. Magmatic Sinkhole is our sole exception here because it's just that good a removal spell (and sometimes doubles as an emergency combat trick). Playing on a Budget:The good news is that since most of the cards in this deck are split cards and payoffs intended for limited or jank brewing, the majority of the deck is relatively inexpensive. The main pricyness comes from using a fetchland manabase to to benefit Ore-Scale Guardian and the use Bedlam Reveler for even more card advantage. We swap Bedlam Reveler with a 2 each of Tasigur, the Golden Fang and Gurmag Angler, which you can adjust as you feel as appropriate - I primarily chose this split to minimize the number of multi-Tasigur draws that occurred each game. Delve isn't as ideal for this deck since we have to exile cards from the graveyard, but it's a necessary evil when many of the cards are so cheap. That said, we still want to keep Delve to a minimum and find ways to power out Ore-Scale Guardian, so we trade out Magmatic Sinkhole for Fireblast and use Evolving Wilds to take advantage of the fact we often don't have a turn 1 play. While Sulfur Vent is a bit clunky, it also is a powerful 3-mana burst acceleration for a payoff if used right, so I think it was worth giving it a try here - the mana base is a bit experimental so perhaps proxy this deck out if you really want to give it a shot before you buy any of the cards in it. Our average CMC is still a nice smooth 4.17 - just above the limit! Otherwise, happy spell slinging! May your heavyweights drop off the rush of an 8-card self-mill.
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Post by Daij_Djan on Jul 20, 2020 19:55:50 GMT
This thread is now closed, the poll can be found here. And here's the next challenge!
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