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Post by Daij_Djan on May 6, 2019 20:23:39 GMT
Congratz to our winner!
@ ameisenmeister: Thanks for the feedback To be fair, I was unsure about the powerlevel myself - but it's the best I could think of without doing some playtesting.
@ Idea: When a token creature dies, it still goes (or "is sent") to the graveyard. It's only there that it ceases to exist as state-based action (see Comp. Rule 110.5f ).
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Post by Idea on May 6, 2019 20:46:05 GMT
Congratz to our winner!
@ ameisenmeister : Thanks for the feedback To be fair, I was unsure about the powerlevel myself - but it's the best I could think of without doing some playtesting.
@ Idea : When a token creature dies, it still goes (or "is sent") to the graveyard. It's only there that it ceases to exist as state-based action (see Comp. Rule 110.5f ). Here I thought they ceased to exist the moment they were about to be moved. Well, thanks for informing me
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Post by Flo00 on May 6, 2019 21:37:56 GMT
ameisenmeister: Thanks for the feedback! Making it destroy itself when you can't get more "souls" sounds like a good idea.
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Post by Xenozfan2 on May 8, 2019 22:56:59 GMT
Well, not going to lie, I had a feeling. I am super into a game called RuneScape (if you couldn't tell by my signature.) This is a shot of a villain character with an extremely powerful artifact behind him. Copyright Jagex, Ltd.
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Post by Flo00 on May 8, 2019 23:17:53 GMT
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Post by Idea on May 9, 2019 1:57:57 GMT
{Spoiler} Small correction for the card I meant to put in "at the beggining of YOUR next upkeep", not simply the. Corrected Version:
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on May 9, 2019 12:57:53 GMT
Small correction for the card I meant to put in "at the beggining of YOUR next upkeep", not simply the. This card seems very nice, but three masks, I think this may be too much, I know tou sacrifice then at the next upkeep. However it still may be too much, since you can sac two artifacts and make the creatures "double indestructible".
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on May 9, 2019 13:07:43 GMT
Well, not going to lie, I had a feeling. I am super into a game called RuneScape (if you couldn't tell by my signature.) This is a shot of a villain character with an extremely powerful artifact behind him. Copyright Jagex, Ltd. I have found the link to the creator in: www.deviantart.com/tinysecretdoor/art/Sliske-s-Games-565678186
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Post by Idea on May 9, 2019 15:06:24 GMT
Small correction for the card I meant to put in "at the beggining of YOUR next upkeep", not simply the. This card seems very nice, but three masks, I think this may be too much, I know tou sacrifice then at the next upkeep. However it still may be too much, since you can sac two artifacts and make the creatures "double indestructible". But let's say you do do that. For the price of two artifacts you get 1-2 turns of "double one time indestructible" (depending on how you look at it), making this a "combo" that requires 4-7 cards to go off, and I would argue with that kind of investment this kind of effect isn't excessive. That said, I should probably edit the effect to make it so it can only be used at anytime you could cast a sorcery. Maybe I can add a little mana cost to the ability, like or as well, do you think that would make it more balanced?
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Post by ludvikeverviolet on May 9, 2019 17:07:26 GMT
Ok, id like to make analysis of the images when i design a card, so i explain my vision of this picture, and the history i made of my vision. He seems with an open posture, like receiving someone. So i made he can control creatures and planeswalkers. But he must be know by his followers, so that's why he have to make damage to an opponent to gain control of someone. He has a sadistic face. For me he transmute the flesh on artifact faces where the soul is still inside. Behind is a sphere in formation, with an incandescent nucleus, surrounded by plates. These plates present faces of beings of all races being melted. They do not seem to have been created, it seems that they are being collected and merged into one piece. Thats why he create One artifact, that contains the Souls of the people he melted within. You can use this Sun but as long as you use it, the souls on it are turning off. Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on May 9, 2019 18:58:18 GMT
This card seems very nice, but three masks, I think this may be too much, I know tou sacrifice then at the next upkeep. However it still may be too much, since you can sac two artifacts and make the creatures "double indestructible". But let's say you do do that. For the price of two artifacts you get 1-2 turns of "double one time indestructible" (depending on how you look at it), making this a "combo" that requires 4-7 cards to go off, and I would argue with that kind of investment this kind of effect isn't excessive. That said, I should probably edit the effect to make it so it can only be used at anytime you could cast a sorcery. Maybe I can add a little mana cost to the ability, like or as well, do you think that would make it more balanced? I don't know, I think this could make a "combo" easily, but I can't see how to make it better, more balanced, but still, nice idea for a card, it tuns metal into protective masks. Here is an idea, what if you sac an artifact, to create an equipment that does cost 1 to equip, and have a totem armor like effect, but instead, it is a effect that work with artifacts, like "armor armor", since equip is only as sorcery, you can not do it in response, so you don't have to sacrifice the artifact at the beginning of upkeep to balance it.
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Post by Tesagk on May 9, 2019 19:58:31 GMT
Rakvas, Artificer of the Masks Legendary Creature - Human Artificer Whenever you cast a creature spell, create a colorless artifact Mask token with, " , Sacrifice this artifact: Put a mask counter on target creature." Creatures you control with mask counters get +1/+1 3/5
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Post by Idea on May 9, 2019 20:26:25 GMT
Here is an idea, what if you sac an artifact, to create an equipment that does cost 1 to equip, and have a totem armor like effect, but instead, it is a effect that work with artifacts, like "armor armor", since equip is only as sorcery, you can not do it in response, so you don't have to sacrifice the artifact at the beginning of upkeep to balance it. That's an interesting suggestion, but I think I'll pass this time. Here are the issues I have with the suggestion: Assuming only one of those artifacts is produced: ->The ability becomes just recycling artifacts into those equipments ->It would fit less with the image, where many masks are made from a single orb ->Becomes a far too major change to the original concept I feel Assuming three would still be made: ->Them not going away would make the ability go infinite on its own ->Even if didn't, you'd still be accumulating those artifacts unless they were actually used Either way: ->The added degree of complexity for that would be greater than just adjusting the ability otherwise, needing both a new mechanic and continually tracking the tokens nd attachment ->There already exists a mask token, I got the idea from the card that produces them. While I'm not opposed to being unorthodox if I feel that produces something interesting in the end, I just see much being added from changing them to artifacts.
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on May 9, 2019 22:39:00 GMT
Here is an idea, what if you sac an artifact, to create an equipment that does cost 1 to equip, and have a totem armor like effect, but instead, it is a effect that work with artifacts, like "armor armor", since equip is only as sorcery, you can not do it in response, so you don't have to sacrifice the artifact at the beginning of upkeep to balance it. That's an interesting suggestion, but I think I'll pass this time. Here are the issues I have with the suggestion: Assuming only one of those artifacts is produced: ->The ability becomes just recycling artifacts into those equipments ->It would fit less with the image, where many masks are made from a single orb ->Becomes a far too major change to the original concept I feel Assuming three would still be made: ->Them not going away would make the ability go infinite on its own ->Even if didn't, you'd still be accumulating those artifacts unless they were actually used Either way: ->The added degree of complexity for that would be greater than just adjusting the ability otherwise, needing both a new mechanic and continually tracking the tokens nd attachment ->There already exists a mask token, I got the idea from the card that produces them. While I'm not opposed to being unorthodox if I feel that produces something interesting in the end, I just see much being added from changing them to artifacts. I think you are right in your arguments, I really didn't tought all the way trought, thanks for all the discusion.
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Post by Idea on May 9, 2019 22:47:37 GMT
That's an interesting suggestion, but I think I'll pass this time. Here are the issues I have with the suggestion: Assuming only one of those artifacts is produced: ->The ability becomes just recycling artifacts into those equipments ->It would fit less with the image, where many masks are made from a single orb ->Becomes a far too major change to the original concept I feel Assuming three would still be made: ->Them not going away would make the ability go infinite on its own ->Even if didn't, you'd still be accumulating those artifacts unless they were actually used Either way: ->The added degree of complexity for that would be greater than just adjusting the ability otherwise, needing both a new mechanic and continually tracking the tokens nd attachment ->There already exists a mask token, I got the idea from the card that produces them. While I'm not opposed to being unorthodox if I feel that produces something interesting in the end, I just see much being added from changing them to artifacts. I think you are right in your arguments, I really didn't tought all the way trought, thanks for all the discusion. No problem, thank you for your input! Any little bit helps
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Post by Xenozfan2 on May 11, 2019 1:45:26 GMT
Sanfonier of the Night : Thanks for that! The copyright still goes to Jagex, though; they said so at the bottom of their post. Idea: Please put the corrected version into your original post. The original version can be hidden with the spoiler tags. Holy cow, people, I've never seen this much discussion on a contest before! I love it!
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Post by Idea on May 11, 2019 2:19:19 GMT
Sanfonier of the Night : Thanks for that! The copyright still goes to Jagex, though; they said so at the bottom of their post. Idea : Please put the corrected version into your original post. The original version can be hidden with the spoiler tags. Holy cow, people, I've never seen this much discussion on a contest before! I love it! Done!
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on May 11, 2019 13:37:18 GMT
Sanfonier of the Night : Thanks for that! The copyright still goes to Jagex, though; they said so at the bottom of their post. Idea : Please put the corrected version into your original post. The original version can be hidden with the spoiler tags. Holy cow, people, I've never seen this much discussion on a contest before! I love it! That is what they say: If you don't like my opinion, come right at my face and let's... discuss, because discussion is healthy.
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Post by ameisenmeister on May 12, 2019 10:57:42 GMT
I very much hope I don't butcher your game's character, but this is what I came up with.
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Post by Boogymanjunior on May 14, 2019 21:17:00 GMT
{old version with comma between subtypes} He seems to have a forge that forges the lifeforce of the deceased into stone masks. He can use these to either mask himself to transform or to emulate a reflection of their former self. Keep in mind that when he clones himself, the +1/+1 counters stay on him. EDIT: Wow, this is pretty similar to most entries here. But I guess that the picture makes pretty clear signs. I wonder if it also fits with his true origins?
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Post by Xenozfan2 on May 17, 2019 16:51:38 GMT
Looking good, guys! I'll be judging somewhen between tomorrow and later, aka closing soon.
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Post by Xenozfan2 on May 20, 2019 10:19:15 GMT
Ok, the contest is closed! {Flo00 and Raise the Forgotten}Raise the Forgotten Sorcery For each creature card in exile, create a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying. Flo00: I like it. Potentially powerful ( has a lot of exile), but if you have only three creatures exiled it's on par with other token producers. {Idea and Master of the Guiseforge}Master of the Guiseforge Creature - Kor , Sacrifice an artifact: Create up to three white Aura enchantment tokens named Mask with enchant permanent and totem armor. For each one, attach it to a different target creature. At the beginning of your next end step, sacrifice those tokens. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery. 2/2 Idea: This is...a little problematic. Logically it works (although I'm not sure the wording is correct), but it's still a little messy. I would make it a one-for-one trade and not bother with the token sacrificing, and maybe attach them to one that doesn't have a Mask on it. Possibly bump it up to and remove the sacrificing. Adding a mana to the activation does balance the power a lot (free sac outlets have caused no end of headaches for WotC.) {ludvikeverviolet and Keyfos, Transmuter of Souls}Keyfos, Transmuter of Souls Legendary Creature - Human Artificer Whenever Keyfos, Transmuter of Souls deals combat damage to a player, gain control of target creature or planeswalker that player controls until Keyfos, Transmuter of Souls leaves the battlefield. : Exile another target creature or planeswalker you control, then put a charge counter on target Soul Sun you control. If you don't control one, first create a Soul Sun artifact token with " , Remove X charge counters from Soul Sun: Draw X cards, then Soul Sun deals X damage to any target." 2/5 ludvikeverviolet: Too many words. There's a lot going on here, and simplifying would make this card amazing. You didn't need to create the forge itself; him melting souls with it is fairly a given. Mind if I try? Keyfos, Transmuter of Souls Legendary Creature - Human Artificer When Keyfos, Transmuter of Souls deals combat damage to a player, gain control of up to one target creature that player controls until Keyfos leaves the battlefield. , Exile another creature you control: Draw X cards and Keyfos deals X damage to any target, where X is the exiled creature's power. 2/4 I really tried to include the planeswalker stealing, but planeswalker theft is so rare in Magic that I left it out. The charge counters weren't really needed once the token was gone (I tried putting it on Keyfos himself, but again it added complexity.) I thought about tapping, but with no evasion it wasn't necessary, especially since he steals through combat. I really like your idea, but the complexity was just through the roof. When the abilities start piling on, think "How can I do this but with fewer words?" It usually means it's a better card. {Tesagk and Rakvas, Artificer of the Masks}Rakvas, Artificer of the Masks Legendary Creature - Human Artificer Whenever you cast a creature spell, create a colorless artifact Mask token with " , Sacrifice this artifact: Put a mask counter on target creature." Creatures you control with mask counters get +1/+1. 3/5 Tesagk: I like the idea of putting masks on creatures, but in all reality his abilities are a bit...useless? redundant? eh? Something. Masks already exist as white Auras, and most of the time you'll put the mask counter on the creature you just cast, so the second ability just reads "Creatures you control get +1/+1." The art and the colors don't match all that well; there's nothing that seems or to me. You might get away with by making the Mask Aura tokens, but it would have to be paired with to match the artwork. {mk and Tarnisher of Identity}Tarnisher of Identity Creature - Shapeshifter You may have Tarnisher of Identity enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature, except it has "This creature has hexproof and indestructible as long as there is another creature with the same name on the battlefield." 0/0 @mk: I like this one. Hexproof and indestructible might be a bit much, especially if you copy and protect your own creature, but it's evenly costed and not a bad card at all. {ameisenmeister and Deceitful Magistrate}Deceitful Magistrate Creature - Human Wizard At the beginning of your upkeep, choose another target nonlegendary creature that doesn't have the same name as any other creature on the battlefield and create a token that's a copy of it. If you can't, sacrifice Deceitful Magistrate. "The majority in the House is yours, my lord. I've taken the necessary steps."3/3 ameisenmeister: Hmm.There is both good and bad here. It's a fine card, though a little clunky (the wording may be off and why am I sacrificing if I can't make the token?) My biggest issue is the disconnect between the art and the card. Nothing in the art says "magistrate" to me. Powerful wizard, yes; political figure, no. The card is well balanced (though again, why the sacrifice?) but try making the card fit the art more. I came back later to write this. Woah, wow, you don't sacrifice the token. This card is BUSTED! It should be and at least. Throw in a sacrifice outlet and you get a constant stream of abusable tokens. {Boogymanjunior and Pavarosh, Smith of Lithic Terror}Pavarosh, Smith of Lithic Terror Legendary Creature - Human Wizard Whenever a creature dies, you may exile it. If you do, put a +1/+1 counter on Pavarosh. , Remove a +1/+1 counter from Pavarosh, return a card exiled with Pavarosh to it's owener's graveyard: Choose one - -Pavarosh becomes a copy of that card until end of turn, except it retains its abilities. -Create a token that's a copy of that card. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. 3/3 Boogymanjunior: Much like ludvikeverviolet's card, this one is just way too busy. So many words! You did an excellent job at matching the card and the art, but simplify the text. Pavarosh, Lithic Terrorsmith Legendary Creature - Human Wizard Whenever a creature dies, you may pay . When you do, choose one - -Pavarosh, Lithic Terrorsmith becomes a copy of that card until end of turn, except it's legendary in addition to its other types, its name is Pavarosh, Lithic Terrorsmith and it has this ability. -Create a token that's a copy of that card. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. 4/4 You have to make the decision then and there, but I suppose you could have the exile clause and pick one ability instead of have the choice. Season to taste, I guess. Wow, that was long. So, on to the judging proper! {Third place}ameisenmeister and Deceitful Magistrate! The only things keeping this one this low was the art and card didn't match well. I really liked the card.
{Second place}mk and Tarnisher of Identity! Not much to say other than what I said before. Hexproof and indestructible, ugh.
{First place}Flo00 and Raise the Forgotten! This card is amazing. It requires a lot of setup, but lengthy games it's fine. It's well balanced (does practically nothing against control, good against aggro if you have the right removal) and the art fits the card design. Well done!
Ok, well, that's over! Good job everyone. There were quite a few hiccups this time around, but everyone did their best. Now, I believe I owe you an explanation, if you want it. {Sliske and the Stone of Jas}A skilled liar and a considered a traitor by his fellow Mahjarrat (his race), Sliske is responsible for a great many world-shaking events in RuneScape. His most notable achievements are pitting the gods against each other in a battle for the Stone of Jas and his assassination of the god of balance, Guthix. His symbol is the mask, well-deserved as his realm is one of shadows, lies, and deception.
The Stone of Jas was created millennia ago by the Elder God Jas as The Catalyst, the oldest and most powerful of the Elder Artefacts. A major force of creation and destruction, it has changed hands many, many times. Its power is responsible for the ascension to godhood of at least one person, and a war between gods that ended with rendering an entire continent an utter wasteland to this day by its use.
So there you have it. Thank you everyone, and have a good whatever!
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Post by Tesagk on May 21, 2019 14:31:39 GMT
Xenozfan2: I think we just have some fundamental disagreements here. But thanks for taking the time to add your two cents.
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Post by Flo00 on May 22, 2019 23:27:06 GMT
Thanks for the win Xeno! Next challenge: Art by Pat Morrissey (I couldn't find another version of this picture with a good resolution.)
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on May 22, 2019 23:51:14 GMT
Thanks for the win Xeno! Next challenge: Art by Pat Morrissey (I couldn't find another version of this picture with a good resolution.) Where is this image from?
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Post by Daij_Djan on May 23, 2019 0:12:29 GMT
Das Schwarze Auge is a German Pen&Paper rules system. This is the cover of one of its many books - looking at the text on the side it's apparently a rules book about creating artifacts and doing alchemy
EDIT: For the record, apparently Morrissey was the artist's maiden name, nowadays she's called Pat Lewis (not to be confused with the American soul singer )
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Post by Xenozfan2 on May 23, 2019 11:37:51 GMT
Soulforger Creature - Human Artificer Whenever a creature you control dies, you may search your library for an Equipment card with converted mana cost equal to or less than the creature's converted mana cost and reveal it. Put it into your hand, then shuffle your library. , , Sacrifice an artifact: You may put an Equipment card from your hand or graveyard onto the battlefield. 1/2
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Post by Tesagk on May 23, 2019 12:03:46 GMT
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Post by Boogymanjunior on May 23, 2019 18:56:18 GMT
Okay, this art forced me to do a hard top down design^^ On a side note, tbh, I never understood those who have issues with this kind of hybrid per se. Hybrid mana exists to connect effects that belong to both colors on their own as well as both colors in combination. This kind of half-sided hybrid mana connects effects that belong to only one color (white, creating spirits, and is relatively indifferent towards caring for power) as well as both colors (white-red, creating spirits but also caring for power which is red's domain), but is not for the other color on it's own (red, creating spirits is not red). While I understand that it could just be white per se, I do think that caring for power is red enough to me to add it in some way. Also, the flavor seems a little bit non-pure-white, hee hee. Just my two cents to this unasked question
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