ruien
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Post by ruien on May 7, 2018 6:07:31 GMT
I'm having an issue with set symbols that I haven't been able to figure out. Clearly there's something fundamental that I don't understand and which I don't see explained in the documentation or FAQ. Essentially, set symbols seem to look normal at the common rarity, but then at uncommon (or higher) appear "fat": Here's an image to illustrate the difference: pasteboard.co/Hk22rQt.pngNote that I chose this symbol as it demonstrates the problem clearly, and because it is easy to compare with reality. This certainly constitutes fair use.
I expect these symbols to all have the same footprint, but they don't. I also don't understand why they don't, or how to fix them so they do. |
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oddnanref
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Post by oddnanref on May 7, 2018 12:06:59 GMT
I cannot be 100% sure since I have not seen the code but looks like the resolution is different. Not sure if it is intentional either. You can try the high resolution cards to see if that is the case. I am sorry I cannot help you much.
However, this seems more like a development section thread and I do not think this belongs in the card clinic.
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ruien
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Post by ruien on May 7, 2018 13:03:32 GMT
Development struck me as being intended for source-code / scripting / templates as an author whereas the Design sections stuck me as being for issues encountered as a user. Since I'm seeking clarification about usage, I put it here -- if that's incorrect, I'd be obliged if the question could moved to the appropriate section. As for the issue itself, perhaps my screenshot isn't clear enough, so I'll try to elaborate a bit. I created a 369x369 square PNG image entirely black & white of the set symbol according to the documentation here. I then import it into the set symbol editor, which also seems to work correctly. Indeed, the symbol looks perfect when selected as a Common (black). In my screenshot, the two symbols on top (common and uncommon) were taken from high-resolution scans of cards in my cube. The two symbols on the bottom (also common and uncommon) are what I see in MSE from the imported PNG image. Of these, the bottom-right symbol (the MSE uncommon) appears to be " fatter" than the others, but I'm not sure why. I have a theory as to what's happening. Specifically, when you create a set symbol in the symbol editor, each shape has a white outline-border. It feels like the Commons use the inside boundary, not including the white border while Uncommon and above use the outside boundary, including the white border. But why it would do this is beyond me -- it seems like an odd design decision and suggests that I am doing something wrong. Here's a screenshot of what my symbol editor looks like: pasteboard.co/Hk4LTEO.pngAnd here is the 369x369 black and white image that I am importing: pasteboard.co/Hk4MAhu.pngWhat I am really curious about is what this looks like for other people. Do you also see this white border? What do your Common and Uncommon symbols look like? In other words, is this just affecting me, or am I seeing the expected results?
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Post by cajun on May 7, 2018 18:23:53 GMT
Development struck me as being intended for source-code / scripting / templates as an author whereas the Design sections stuck me as being for issues encountered as a user. Since I'm seeking clarification about usage, I put it here -- if that's incorrect, I'd be obliged if the question could moved to the appropriate section. MTG Design is for cards, not the program. You'd want to be in Development somewhere yes. I have a theory as to what's happening. What's happening here is an illusion, caused by a combination of the common symbol using a white border and using the inverted color of the other symbols. Here's a super zoomed gif on the common-> uncommon rarity symbol. If you just watch it you see the fatness happening, but if you pay attention to the pixels they line up exactly. |
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ruien
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Post by ruien on May 8, 2018 0:51:14 GMT
MTG Design is for cards, not the program. You'd want to be in Development somewhere yes. Sounds good. I've looked but there doesn't seem to be any way for me to move a thread, so I've flagged it for moderation. What's happening here is an illusion, caused by a combination of the common symbol using a white border and using the inverted color of the other symbols. Ahh, I get it -- thanks so much for the clarification. Placing everything on a green background as you have done illustrates this clearly. I haven't found a solution yet -- that is, I haven't been able to tweak the symbols to visually produce a similar footprint between the black and white borders. It feels like the border is simply too thick, but I don't see a way to reduce its thickness. Fortunately, for my own (simpler) set symbol, the issue is far less pronounced. It strikes me as odd that I cannot simply make small transparent PNGs for each rarity -- GIMP seems to be more suited to this task than the vector editor in MSE -- and then just have MSE stick them on top. Anyway, thanks again. That did help a lot. |
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Post by shiftyhomunculus on May 8, 2018 1:18:44 GMT
Relocated to Template Development, as requested.
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Post by cajun on May 8, 2018 4:39:41 GMT
It strikes me as odd that I cannot simply make small transparent PNGs for each rarity -- GIMP seems to be more suited to this task than the vector editor in MSE -- and then just have MSE stick them on top. I might have something in the works for that  |
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