Post by sdfkjgh on Jun 6, 2019 23:37:15 GMT
Here’s the link to the complete Reserved List.
BSQ: 419/479, or 86.84759916492693%.
Welcome back fellow Tattooineans. I gotta be honest, I'm starting to feel a little burned out over this whole series, I just wish it was done with. If I remember correctly, this is about where I started burning out the last time, back at The Meadery. Anyway, let's get to it.
And we are done. Tally:
Here’s the link to the complete Reserved List.
BSQ: 432/492, or 87.{bar}80487%.
Next week, I'll be taking a week off, so I can participate in the Modern Horizons prerelease, but after that, we'll have the last episode of Weatherlight. I may only take a week off after that, then it's the entire Rath block in two episodes of 16 cards each. By the metric of "Fewest Listed Cards", Rath block is probably the most successful block in early Magic.
So, until then, thanks to Daij_Djan, and goodbye.
- 60 cards stay on The Reserved List.
- 203 cards get reprinted in Standard.
- 65 cards get reprinted in supplemental sets.
144 cards that should’ve been prevented from ever having despoiled the timestream.- Dark Ritual has been added to The New Revised Reserved List.
Naked Singularity, Bronze Tablet, Jeweled Bird, Rebirth, Tempest Efreet, and Rishadan Port have been retroactively added to the list of cards that should’ve been prevented from ever having despoiled the timestream.
BSQ: 419/479, or 86.84759916492693%.
Welcome back fellow Tattooineans. I gotta be honest, I'm starting to feel a little burned out over this whole series, I just wish it was done with. If I remember correctly, this is about where I started burning out the last time, back at The Meadery. Anyway, let's get to it.
{When I saw the first item on this week's list, I just couldn't stop laughing for a good 5-10 seconds.}
Goblin Bomb 204 (Honestly, is anyone really afraid of such utter jank, even with proliferate?)
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Ok, kidzes, it's Storytime! Back when I first started playing, about 19 years ago (back when the rocks still had a relatively low Young's modulus), in my second high school (that's a story for another day), I participated in an epic multiplayer game. None of us had decks that could even remotely be considered "good"; I was playing either a precon deck (the one with Angelus/Angel, or a 5-color monstrosity of way more cards than 60, with only one copy of Pulse of Llanowar as the only way to cast all my other cards; we were all playing on a pebble-topped concrete alfresco roundtable, no sleeves, no playmats (it hurts me just to think of it now). One guy had the bright idea to run Goblin Bomb, his reasoning being something along the lines of "If1 I can get it to 5, I can kill someone in 1 shot!"
Let me tell you, he never got it to go off. In fact, he only won about 2/13 flips, neither of them consecutive. Oh, it gets worse than that. We weren't certain what happened if you lost a flip with no counters (back then, none of us could look it up either quickly or reliably enough), so we all agreed on the concept of negative counters. By the end of recess, he'd managed to have a ten counter deficit on his stupid-ass Bomb. I've seen jars full of nothing but peanut butter that were more ready to explode.
So, yeah, do I think that Goblin Bomb is safe for Standard? *In best H. Jon Benjamin questioning voice* Yes? I guess? I mean, it's the jankiest of utter jank, and by all rights, should probably be relegated to The Burn Pile, but, at least by my admittedly limited interaction with it, it's so unreactive and non-explosive, it prolly wouldn't even burn, even if exposed to Nope-Stoff. I just have the biggest soft spot for such a dopey, idiotically over-nerfed card. It's like if the dumbest golden retriever you could ever find got repeatedly bonked on the head by a Nerf sword wielded by your hyperactive, 5-year old cousin.
The Gatherer comments are, once again, beautifully, eclectically brilliant and stupid; some are brilliant, some are stupid, and some are both, and I love it. Also, has anyone else noticed the new feedback button on Gatherer? What's going on? Are they actually thinking about restoring the nonfunctional "see all" Javascript buttons?
Goblin Bomb 204 (Honestly, is anyone really afraid of such utter jank, even with proliferate?)
Price
{There are much easier ways to deal such large amounts of damage in one turn.}
Booby Trap
Price
So send my love a Letter Bomb,
and visit me in
Hell...
Price
Tendrils of Agony
Price
Grapeshot
Price
Any "X damage" spell, ability, or effect, & I'm a little too lazy rn to separate out all the false positives.
Booby Trap
Price
So send my love a Letter Bomb,
and visit me in
Hell...
Price
Tendrils of Agony
Price
Grapeshot
Price
Any "X damage" spell, ability, or effect, & I'm a little too lazy rn to separate out all the false positives.
Ok, kidzes, it's Storytime! Back when I first started playing, about 19 years ago (back when the rocks still had a relatively low Young's modulus), in my second high school (that's a story for another day), I participated in an epic multiplayer game. None of us had decks that could even remotely be considered "good"; I was playing either a precon deck (the one with Angelus/Angel, or a 5-color monstrosity of way more cards than 60, with only one copy of Pulse of Llanowar as the only way to cast all my other cards; we were all playing on a pebble-topped concrete alfresco roundtable, no sleeves, no playmats (it hurts me just to think of it now). One guy had the bright idea to run Goblin Bomb, his reasoning being something along the lines of "If1 I can get it to 5, I can kill someone in 1 shot!"
Let me tell you, he never got it to go off. In fact, he only won about 2/13 flips, neither of them consecutive. Oh, it gets worse than that. We weren't certain what happened if you lost a flip with no counters (back then, none of us could look it up either quickly or reliably enough), so we all agreed on the concept of negative counters. By the end of recess, he'd managed to have a ten counter deficit on his stupid-ass Bomb. I've seen jars full of nothing but peanut butter that were more ready to explode.
So, yeah, do I think that Goblin Bomb is safe for Standard? *In best H. Jon Benjamin questioning voice* Yes? I guess? I mean, it's the jankiest of utter jank, and by all rights, should probably be relegated to The Burn Pile, but, at least by my admittedly limited interaction with it, it's so unreactive and non-explosive, it prolly wouldn't even burn, even if exposed to Nope-Stoff. I just have the biggest soft spot for such a dopey, idiotically over-nerfed card. It's like if the dumbest golden retriever you could ever find got repeatedly bonked on the head by a Nerf sword wielded by your hyperactive, 5-year old cousin.
The Gatherer comments are, once again, beautifully, eclectically brilliant and stupid; some are brilliant, some are stupid, and some are both, and I love it. Also, has anyone else noticed the new feedback button on Gatherer? What's going on? Are they actually thinking about restoring the nonfunctional "see all" Javascript buttons?
{Glad to see them actually innovating on cumulative upkeep.}
Heart of Bogey & Bacall145
Price
So, everyone talks about "do-nothing enchantments", and most of the time, they're only half-joking, but Heart of Bogardan is an actual do-nothing enchantment. It only ever does something if you stop paying its cumulative upkeep. By the time you've sunk and four turns into it (one turn to cast it, two turns of paying its c-upkeep to get the age counters up, and one turn to sac from not paying, since it keys off of last paid c-upkeep cost, and you want to get X up to at least 4 for it to seem worth it), Lavalanche still does X one higher, and this holds true across the entire graph. I can't believe I actually considered this for a supplemental reprint at first.
Heart of Bogey & Bacall
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{Insert witty, pithy, trenchant commentary here.}
Magmatic Core
Price
Hibernation's End
Price
Lavalanche
Price
Magmatic Core
Price
Hibernation's End
Price
Lavalanche
Price
So, everyone talks about "do-nothing enchantments", and most of the time, they're only half-joking, but Heart of Bogardan is an actual do-nothing enchantment. It only ever does something if you stop paying its cumulative upkeep. By the time you've sunk and four turns into it (one turn to cast it, two turns of paying its c-upkeep to get the age counters up, and one turn to sac from not paying, since it keys off of last paid c-upkeep cost, and you want to get X up to at least 4 for it to seem worth it), Lavalanche still does X one higher, and this holds true across the entire graph. I can't believe I actually considered this for a supplemental reprint at first.
{An actual good card; what a concept.}
Heat Stroke 205
Price
Why is Heat Stroke on here again? It's not like creatures were all that good (or even adequate) back then, if you had to debase yourself so low as to need to resort to creature combat, first, what were you doing, and second, who the hell blocked?2 Oh, right. It's an early history , and that's the ONLY reason!
Heat Stroke 205
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{Insert dumb joke here.}
You two, Fight to the Death! (This reference was a lot funnier when there were only two examples I could think of.)
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Avatar of Slaughter
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Death Pits of Rath
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You two, Fight to the Death! (This reference was a lot funnier when there were only two examples I could think of.)
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Avatar of Slaughter
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Death Pits of Rath
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Why is Heat Stroke on here again? It's not like creatures were all that good (or even adequate) back then, if you had to debase yourself so low as to need to resort to creature combat, first, what were you doing, and second, who the hell blocked?2 Oh, right. It's an early history , and that's the ONLY reason!
{MaRo's "cycling from play"}
Infernal Tribute 206, downgraded from to .
Price
Hey MaRo? I noticed, and now my readers will, too.4 Infernal Tribute is yet another card that's Listed only because of its rarity, and yet another card whose initial rarity was wrong. The mana cost is actually a perfect way to ensure that it's played in either heavy-mono- decks, or it doesn't come out in other decks until the late-very late game.
Infernal Tribute 206, downgraded from to .
Price
{Insert Tab A into Slot B}
Sac to draw a card.
Sac to draw a card.
Hey MaRo? I noticed, and now my readers will, too.4 Infernal Tribute is yet another card that's Listed only because of its rarity, and yet another card whose initial rarity was wrong. The mana cost is actually a perfect way to ensure that it's played in either heavy-mono- decks, or it doesn't come out in other decks until the late-very late game.
{Why isn't Glacial Chasm on The Reserved List?}
Inner Sanctum146
Price
The further I get into The Reserved List, the less I believe there's any rhyme or reason behind the decisions involved in its existence. Glacial Chasm isn't Listed, but Inner Sanctum is. Rishadan Port isn't Listed, but Farmstead is. Necropotence isn't, but Infernal Tribute is. None of this makes any damn sense.
Inner Sanctum
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{Insert can of Tab A into Slob B's cakehole. No, that's the piehole, that's the cakehole!}
Mark of Asylum
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Dolmen Gate
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True Conviction
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Mark of Asylum
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Dolmen Gate
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True Conviction
Price
The further I get into The Reserved List, the less I believe there's any rhyme or reason behind the decisions involved in its existence. Glacial Chasm isn't Listed, but Inner Sanctum is. Rishadan Port isn't Listed, but Farmstead is. Necropotence isn't, but Infernal Tribute is. None of this makes any damn sense.
{Case in point: Squirrels. Squirrels are awesome, and yet this is Listed. Why?!}
Liege of the Hollows 207, downgraded from to .
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Why is Liege of the Hollows even on here? Is it because of her damn sexy abs & second-skin clothing? Because if it is, then I can understand that; that much sexy concentrated in such a small area has been scientifically proven to cause panic, mass hysteria/arousal, and spontaneous religious conversion, and that's a known, inarguable fact!
Liege of the Hollows 207, downgraded from to .
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{Insert my foot into Legal's collective ass for perpetuating this ridiculous List.}
Join forces
Join forces
Why is Liege of the Hollows even on here? Is it because of her damn sexy abs & second-skin clothing? Because if it is, then I can understand that; that much sexy concentrated in such a small area has been scientifically proven to cause panic, mass hysteria/arousal, and spontaneous religious conversion, and that's a known, inarguable fact!
{This does not belong here.}
Lotus Vale 208
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Lotus Vale offers amazing mana production, yes, but with one of the steepest costs I've ever seen. Nowadays, it's not so bad, but it was printed back in the era of Stone Rain's prominence. Reason #27 Why Fun Is Not Allowed was reprinted in Mirage, and would go on to be reprinted in Tempest, so what the hell was R&D so afraid of?
Lotus Vale 208
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{Insert Foot A into Mouth B, because I've run with this joke just a little too far, like I always do.}
Visions "Karoo" lands
Ravnica "Karoo" lands
Incubation Druid
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Rupture Spire, Transguild Promenade, & Gateway Plaza
Price, Price, & Price
Visions "Karoo" lands
Ravnica "Karoo" lands
Incubation Druid
Price
Rupture Spire, Transguild Promenade, & Gateway Plaza
Price, Price, & Price
Lotus Vale offers amazing mana production, yes, but with one of the steepest costs I've ever seen. Nowadays, it's not so bad, but it was printed back in the era of Stone Rain's prominence. Reason #27 Why Fun Is Not Allowed was reprinted in Mirage, and would go on to be reprinted in Tempest, so what the hell was R&D so afraid of?
{Since they're pretty much the exact same card concept5, I figured I'd get this one out of the way, too.}
Scorched Ruins 209
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Whenever I try to remember Scorched Ruins' name, I always think of Blasted Landscape. Other than that, everything said about Lotus Vale also applies to Blasted Landscape. D'OH! I've done it again!
Scorched Ruins 209
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Whenever I try to remember Scorched Ruins' name, I always think of Blasted Landscape. Other than that, everything said about Lotus Vale also applies to Blasted Landscape. D'OH! I've done it again!
{This card represents double bullshit: What it does is bullshit, and it's bullshit that it's Listed.}
Mana Web 210
Price
I don't like Mana Web OR War's Toll, I don't like what they represent, I don't like the play styles they encourage/enforce, and I don't like the fact that you need to be fairly deep into rules knowledge to know how to use them effectively or work around them. In fact, I hate them, and all of the reasons given that they represent, for all of those reasons. However, I'm not so blind as to be unaware that War's Toll's very existence is exculpatory enough to release Mana Web.6
Mana Web 210
Price
I don't like Mana Web OR War's Toll, I don't like what they represent, I don't like the play styles they encourage/enforce, and I don't like the fact that you need to be fairly deep into rules knowledge to know how to use them effectively or work around them. In fact, I hate them, and all of the reasons given that they represent, for all of those reasons. However, I'm not so blind as to be unaware that War's Toll's very existence is exculpatory enough to release Mana Web.6
{I will not joke about gay biker culture. I will not joke about "rough trade". I will not joke about fetish masks. I will not joke about Bara Tribe. I will not mention beefcake in any way, shape, or form. I will not mention fitness magazines. I will not make reference to the "Do you even lift?" meme. I will not laugh at any of this. And I will MOST DEFINITELY not laugh so hard I get lightheaded!}
Warrior of the wasteland the Lord Humungus, the ayatollah of rock-and(/or)-rollah 66
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Shakespeare's Gay Boys in Bondage is a weird card. Casting him onto an empty board nets you a six mana 1/1 (unless and opponent is running Kismet effects, lol) that gets -1/-1 whenever it attacks, and that's just when it attacks alone. He's just a big ol' goofy card, and as much as I'd love to reprint him in Standard, as the storyline goes, and as shown in the cards themselves, he dead, and one of the rules of reprints is if the character is dead, they can't come back to Standard. Fortunately, that's what we have supplemental sets for.
Warrior of the wasteland the Lord Humungus, the ayatollah of rock-and(/or)-rollah 66
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Shakespeare's Gay Boys in Bondage is a weird card. Casting him onto an empty board nets you a six mana 1/1 (unless and opponent is running Kismet effects, lol) that gets -1/-1 whenever it attacks, and that's just when it attacks alone. He's just a big ol' goofy card, and as much as I'd love to reprint him in Standard, as the storyline goes, and as shown in the cards themselves, he dead, and one of the rules of reprints is if the character is dead, they can't come back to Standard. Fortunately, that's what we have supplemental sets for.
{Inflexibly operating out of fear is no way to live, rule, or govern, but you try telling that to a republican...}
Paradigm Shift 212 ("212 area code. Looks like I'm going to New York.")
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Ok, after watching Nizzahon's History of the Banned and Restricted List videos, I start to get an understanding behind the decisions at that time. That doesn't mean that they were right, it just means that I understand their thought processes. If restricting a card causes you to jump through several additional hoops of restricting and banning lesser cards, maybe you should just admit that the original restricted card is too powerful, even as a singleton, stop half-assing it, and just ban the fucker. It's like when my elementary schools7 instituted a policy of voluntary uniforms, or when the government "tried" to phase out the dollar bill with the Sacagawea coin. You either go full-on mandatory, or fucking forget it!
Paradigm Shift is Wizards being pussies about their Restricted cards. MaRo has taught this very lesson countless times over Hornet Sting. "You wanna know how you show a color can't do something? You don't allow that color to do that thing, ever! You don't give it a very bad version of that thing, because that still says that that color can do that thing!" If there was ever a voice designed for always exclamation marks! All the time!, it's Rosewater's. Anyway, if you don't want players to have access to a thing, you don't give them one of that thing, you fucking take their ball away from the crying little babies and scream at them to FUCKING DEAL WITH IT! Whew, sorry, that last link kinda rubbed off on me there...The point's still valid, though.
However, with the massively increased cardpool, and the oceanic gulf now separating Standard and those problem cards, Paradigm Shift should no longer be a problem, just like most of the formerly big & scary bad decisions of the B&R and Reserved Listkeepers.
Paradigm Shift 212 ("212 area code. Looks like I'm going to New York.")
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{Remember, Jace's ultimate says "target player", you could conceivably do it to yourself.}
Morality Shift
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Jace, the Mind Toker
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Morality Shift
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Jace, the Mind Toker
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Ok, after watching Nizzahon's History of the Banned and Restricted List videos, I start to get an understanding behind the decisions at that time. That doesn't mean that they were right, it just means that I understand their thought processes. If restricting a card causes you to jump through several additional hoops of restricting and banning lesser cards, maybe you should just admit that the original restricted card is too powerful, even as a singleton, stop half-assing it, and just ban the fucker. It's like when my elementary schools7 instituted a policy of voluntary uniforms, or when the government "tried" to phase out the dollar bill with the Sacagawea coin. You either go full-on mandatory, or fucking forget it!
Paradigm Shift is Wizards being pussies about their Restricted cards. MaRo has taught this very lesson countless times over Hornet Sting. "You wanna know how you show a color can't do something? You don't allow that color to do that thing, ever! You don't give it a very bad version of that thing, because that still says that that color can do that thing!" If there was ever a voice designed for always exclamation marks! All the time!, it's Rosewater's. Anyway, if you don't want players to have access to a thing, you don't give them one of that thing, you fucking take their ball away from the crying little babies and scream at them to FUCKING DEAL WITH IT! Whew, sorry, that last link kinda rubbed off on me there...The point's still valid, though.
However, with the massively increased cardpool, and the oceanic gulf now separating Standard and those problem cards, Paradigm Shift should no longer be a problem, just like most of the formerly big & scary bad decisions of the B&R and Reserved Listkeepers.
And we are done. Tally:
Here’s the link to the complete Reserved List.
- 60 cards stay on The Reserved List.
- 212 cards get reprinted in Standard (with, in this episode, Infernal Tribute & Liege of the Hollows downgraded from to ).
- 66 cards get reprinted in supplemental sets.
147 cards that should’ve been prevented from ever having despoiled the timestream.- Dark Ritual has been added to The New Revised Reserved List.
Naked Singularity, Bronze Tablet, Jeweled Bird, Rebirth, Tempest Efreet, and Rishadan Port have been retroactively added to the list of cards that should’ve been prevented from ever having despoiled the timestream.
BSQ: 432/492, or 87.{bar}80487%.
Next week, I'll be taking a week off, so I can participate in the Modern Horizons prerelease, but after that, we'll have the last episode of Weatherlight. I may only take a week off after that, then it's the entire Rath block in two episodes of 16 cards each. By the metric of "Fewest Listed Cards", Rath block is probably the most successful block in early Magic.
So, until then, thanks to Daij_Djan, and goodbye.
{Footnotes}
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2 | Or so I heard. I have to admit, I wasn't yet playing during this time, and even when I did start, I was square in Filthy Casual City, capitol of Scrubland. Ral: "Even when I did start"? You're still there, dipshit! Don't start, Zarek. Ral: Or what? You forget, as the writer of your particular manifestational character facet, whatever I write into being automatically becomes canon for this particular harbor of your fiction. Ral: You wouldn't! Try my. You and Tomik make a very cute couple. I'm sure your new husband wouldn't like to find out your numerous expenses for a certain ex-Guildpact lookalike's escort services. Ral: You devious shitbrain! Mind you, it's not canon yet, but push me too far, see just how high into debt to a Viashino prostitute I can make you. Ral: Well, I do like dem scaleybois--YOU MANIPULATIVE PSYCHO FREAK! I'LL KILL YOU! Your threats are less than empty, electromancer. For how can you ever know if what you say was actually in character for official canon, or just words I put into your mouth for my own, personal canon? Now dance for me, little puppet, dance to your existential crisis! Ral: I still have one last resort. I can reveal your connection to-- Now, now. Let's not be too hasty. I see we are now at an impasse. Shall we agree to stay MAD at each other? Ral: Agreed. At least for the time being. Fine. Ugh! He makes me so mad sometimes! Hey, Teferi, what-- Teferi: Don't even try bringing me into this shit. What are you talking about? Teferi: You broke a sacred trust between character, author, and audience, and for what? A far-too-meta, far-too-jokey bit of dialogue? What are you even talking about? Teferi: You zoomed too far out, and now your audience will constantly be questioning and second-guessing your interpretation and presentation of the character. Evening, all!3 You probably will be as well, at least a little bit, if you're even half the writer you imagine yourself to be. I don't know, I'm pretty piss-poor, if I'm being honest. Teferi: Even a piss-poor writer can have a modicum of self-awareness. |
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4 | Yes, Ral, I can see you gesticulating wildly back there. Go ahead and get your digs in. Ral: Well, you've kinda spoiled it for me, but here goes: You have an average readership of what, maybe a couple dozen regulars, at best? You're smaller time than the Cesium in an atomic clock! See, it just doesn't feel right when you give me permission. |
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5 | Marge knows what's up. |
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6 | I only hope the Supreme Court can remember to be so impartial, despite their biases, but I'm not holding my breath. |
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7 | Yes, multiple; I was bounced around a lot because of neuro-atypicality & Special Ed, and multiple schools actually thought that the voluntary uniform policy was a good idea. |