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Post by Popcornia on Jun 4, 2019 14:28:11 GMT
If we have no objections, are we permitted to start working under the assumption these rules are now canon, before implementation? I’m mostly being impatient and not sure if I want to wait a few days for them to be integrated before editing my page accordingly.
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Post by Lady Mapi on Jun 4, 2019 14:44:09 GMT
A clarification for Conqueror's Pledge - when you say four boards, which of the following do you mean?
1) The conflict involved posts across four different boards.
2) Four or more characters were involved in the conflict.
Because if it's the former, cajun's list is right - if it's the latter, I think only the whole Demesne thing counts? Kirino's conflict only spilled out onto three boards (mine, korakhos', and windy's), and all of the others I can think of only managed to hit two (maybe Reyhsia The Traitor hit three? I honestly can't recall.)
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Looking at it in context, Flusterstorm does need a bump - it's really only useful if you commonly get into multi-character skirmishes. Maybe drop it down to a 1 skill point, as a start?
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Put me down as disliking the new scoring system - all it is is a clumsier version of the Valor system, as shown by the weirdness of refunds.
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Post by Popcornia on Jun 4, 2019 15:07:26 GMT
ZephyrPhantom blueseclipse Apologies if suggestions are no longer being taken, but I have this idea for a restriction achievement, given how few there are currently. Full Throttle or Apex of Power(If you want an mtg Card name): Whether you have just begun or have practiced for centuries, you are always on the edge of what your powers are capable of. This comes with the downside that you don't know how to hold back. For each card you cast, it must be of the maximum CMC you are able to use. You must be able to cast spells with converted mana costs and have a CMC level of at least 10 when you reincarnate to earn it.
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Post by cajun on Jun 4, 2019 16:32:16 GMT
( maybe Reyhsia The Traitor hit three? I honestly can't recall.) Traitor started as a mass attack across basically the whole Arena: The 7CI, Aylin, Arina, Lumen, Aiden, Rixos, and Chrysoplei were all simultaneously attacked (as were Hanska and Vikalden, but Vik never showed and Hanska kinda denied the timeline there so guess those two don't count), the fights just ended up congregating on my board (Save Karina) and the 7CI's (Defeat Okus). Malextros did a similar thing where during the fight, noninvolved boards were being hit with earthquakes and Malextros attacks and such. |
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Post by cajun on Jun 5, 2019 2:15:31 GMT
After talking with Blues for a bit, gonna formally say I'd rather keep Valor (and by extension, refunds the way they are and the 50V aid set buy). It's the teeniest tiniest bit more complicated but makes those things work way smoother and it's more than worth it.
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Post by gurfafflekins on Jun 5, 2019 2:35:56 GMT
I agree with cajun. The system is great as is.
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jun 6, 2019 2:08:39 GMT
If we have no objections, are we permitted to start working under the assumption these rules are now canon, before implementation? I’m mostly being impatient and not sure if I want to wait a few days for them to be integrated before editing my page accordingly. As shown by the Valor/Score review, there's a reason we're doing things this way; please be a little patient until then. I'm giving until Saturday for the dust to fully settle, just fyi. Re: Valor in general - I did originally create Valor to prevent this sort of weirdness from happening, and was under the impression the community had worked out all the kinks with transitioning to a Score-only system. Seeing as that's clearly not the case I think Valor is here to stay. A clarification for Conqueror's Pledge - when you say four boards, which of the following do you mean? 1) The conflict involved posts across four different boards. 2) Four or more characters were involved in the conflict. Because if it's the former, cajun's list is right - if it's the latter, I think only the whole Demesne thing counts? Kirino's conflict only spilled out onto three boards (mine, korakhos', and windy's), and all of the others I can think of only managed to hit two ( maybe Reyhsia The Traitor hit three? I honestly can't recall.) So that's an ambiguity I hadn't thought of. Does anyone feel "four different boards" is too easy? Because if not I'm inclined to keep it that way. Keeping track of when X character was involved at Y point in time is more work. =========== Flusterstorm dropping down to 1 skill point - 100% okay with that. Apex of Power: I like it. Forces you to design in a very specific but not completely inflexible way. Expect it to be added. EDIT: Also I'm aware that not everyone is a fan of Enter the Infinite/Old Fogey/Wojek Veteran all stacking. Going to be putting that under review. |
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Post by cajun on Jun 6, 2019 2:13:51 GMT
Does anyone feel "four different boards" is too easy? Because if not I'm inclined to keep it that way. Keeping track of when X character was involved at Y point in time is more work. not necessarily too easy, but the 6v1 and 2v3 and such taking place on one board feels like it should still count. It's not that much more work, and it's a single check for an achievement. |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jun 6, 2019 2:16:39 GMT
Does anyone feel "four different boards" is too easy? Because if not I'm inclined to keep it that way. Keeping track of when X character was involved at Y point in time is more work. not necessarily too easy, but the 6v1 and 2v3 and such taking place on one board feels like it should still count. It's not that much more work, and it's a single check for an achievement. Fair point, I had forgot to consider assists. Four different characters (as long as they are all controlled by different players) makes more sense in that context. |
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Post by cajun on Jun 6, 2019 2:23:10 GMT
Fair point, I had forgot to consider assists. Four different characters (as long as they are all controlled by different players) makes more sense in that context. so maybe "A previous character started a conflict that involved four or more players." for the achievement explanation? |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jun 7, 2019 3:26:38 GMT
Fair point, I had forgot to consider assists. Four different characters (as long as they are all controlled by different players) makes more sense in that context. so maybe "A previous character started a conflict that involved four or more players." for the achievement explanation? That works. Also, since I forgot to include it - general trophy ruleset: Other changes that are potentially coming that haven't been publicly stated: asides from keeping current Valor/Score system Enter the Infinite is likely becoming nonstacking while Wojek Veteran and Old Fogey will be the new stacking achivements. Potential new achievement 'This character has reincarnated without earning any other achievements that the player has not already earned.' that stacks (suggested by cajun) to provide alternate means to encourage reincarnation while trying something different. Questmaster is no longer a prerequisite for Sigil of the Commander (since you'd have to buy Questmaster to make 'classic' Legendary Creature commanders anyway.) |
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Post by gamma3 on Jun 7, 2019 21:25:34 GMT
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Post by gurfafflekins on Jun 7, 2019 21:39:37 GMT
gamma3This new version is a recent development- so not quite yet. But apparently soon TM
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jun 8, 2019 2:38:26 GMT
Not yet, I'd put it up for review because there were several big changes being tossed around here and there. End result is looking to be more of the usual patch stuff, albeit at a higher density and a few more notable changes (most notably Reincarnation is becoming cheaper, the achievements that stack will change, Command Zone perk rework, and Call for Aid will allow fansets with the suggestion that use of Call for Aid cards is accounted for in a rating.) We're approaching the end of the review period now, so 1.1 will likely be up by next week. |
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Post by Lady Mapi on Jun 9, 2019 16:33:43 GMT
Oh god I just realized that achievements don't specifically refer to your previous character. Holy crap Mattol was supposed to have, like, three more skill points.
Anyone mind if I take those?
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Post by cajun on Jun 9, 2019 17:39:06 GMT
Oh god I just realized that achievements don't specifically refer to your previous character. Holy crap Mattol was supposed to have, like, three more skill points. Anyone mind if I take those? And here I thought you were doing it intentionally as like a challenge run thing :b Seems fine to be, basically has just been unspent skill points like the pile of Valor I've got floating. |
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Post by gurfafflekins on Jun 9, 2019 17:45:45 GMT
amechra: I'm cool with it honestly
Also, formal request to have someone pin The Hall of Remembrance (since it will never be accessed by any arena patrons in-game and therefore no one can fight on it or anything like that)
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Post by WindyDelcarlo on Jun 9, 2019 18:00:11 GMT
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Post by cajun on Jun 10, 2019 20:56:35 GMT
K, looking for some clarification on loaning with Open the Vault. Do you make an assist post each time, or just have a standing "you can use this whenever." If it's the later, do they lose the loaned card when the owner reincarnates? We're approaching the end of the review period now, so 1.1 will likely be up by next week. also is there any eta on this |
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Post by Parasign on Jun 11, 2019 2:36:42 GMT
Figured I should double check here - is it possible to make a guest system attack on your own board?
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Post by cajun on Jun 11, 2019 2:42:20 GMT
Figured I should double check here - is it possible to make a guest system attack on your own board? would think it's fine so long as you don't get valor (except from people who assist the attack, I suppose) |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jun 11, 2019 3:23:24 GMT
Figured I should double check here - is it possible to make a guest system attack on your own board? You could but you'd be judging your own cards against your own cards. Not sure how you're planning to handle the Valor gain for than unless you want it to be a net zero all around. K, looking for some clarification on loaning with Open the Vault. Do you make an assist post each time, or just have a standing "you can use this whenever." If it's the later, do they lose the loaned card when the owner reincarnates? We're approaching the end of the review period now, so 1.1 will likely be up by next week. also is there any eta on this It's a standing "You can use this whenever" and it doesn't go away when the owner reincarnates for now. I presume if people stack Command Zone stuff too much we will see a poll on that from someone who takes issue with it. ETA: As I said, up by this week. Ideally it will be in the earlier half of it (so by Wednesday), but I didn't want to give an overly optimistic date about it in case something happened. |
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Post by ZephyrPhantom on Jun 11, 2019 7:42:40 GMT
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Post by WindyDelcarlo on Jun 11, 2019 16:10:35 GMT
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Post by korakhos on Jun 11, 2019 17:21:02 GMT
I'd like to request an exception to get the Conqueror's Pledge achievement on Aylin since I found out it was gonna be a thing a few hours after reincarnating.
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Post by Lady Mapi on Jun 11, 2019 19:01:30 GMT
Quick question about Librarian of Leng - is it intended that you could grab it by making some highly-scored cards with a new creature/planeswalker subtype?
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Post by WindyDelcarlo on Jun 11, 2019 19:28:55 GMT
Lady MapiLibrarian of Leng: I'm actually surprised the game has gone on for so long yet no one has ever tried this before. The original intent of Librarian of Leng was for a player to demonstrate they could make a new card type consistently well (think of it as a developer proving the concept of Sagas to WoTC R&D). However when I look at Planeswalker design a certain way the 'proof of concept' for that has to be very similar as a Planeswalker needs to follow certain trends and roles their character established for them, and it is by definition a card subtype (not a creature subtype, which is an important distinction for the achievement). I would say yes, it counts. Planeswalkers yes, creatures no.
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Post by Lady Mapi on Jun 11, 2019 19:47:08 GMT
Lady Mapi Librarian of Leng: I'm actually surprised the game has gone on for so long yet no one has ever tried this before. The original intent of Librarian of Leng was for a player to demonstrate they could make a new card type consistently well (think of it as a developer proving the concept of Sagas to WoTC R&D). However when I look at Planeswalker design a certain way the 'proof of concept' for that has to be very similar as a Planeswalker needs to follow certain trends and roles their character established for them, and it is by definition a card subtype (not a creature subtype, which is an important distinction for the achievement). I would say yes, it counts. Planeswalkers yes, creatures no. Could we please have that clarification added to the achievement? I think it could be as simple as changing it to "new type or non-creature subtype". Also, could I hear the reasoning behind making Lotus Bloom/Librarian of Leng take five cards now instead of three? I know why the score requirements went up, but was there a decision that they were still easier to get than they should be? I propose that we separate the two achievements a bit more - making cards for a new color is a bit harder to even start to qualify for than making good Planeswalkers, so treating them the same is a bit silly (how do I make this an official thing to vote on?). --- On Achievements - I'm assuming that Apex of Power/Evil Twin/Gamble don't grant extra points to all future characters? |
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Post by cajun on Jun 11, 2019 20:24:29 GMT
making cards for a new color is a bit harder to even start to qualify for than making good Planeswalkers, so treating them the same is a bit silly (how do I make this an official thing to vote on?). iunno, achievements already vary quite a bit on how easy they are to obtain, don't see an issue with them having consistent requirements and one just being Hard Mode. |
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Post by Lady Mapi on Jun 11, 2019 20:28:31 GMT
making cards for a new color is a bit harder to even start to qualify for than making good Planeswalkers, so treating them the same is a bit silly (how do I make this an official thing to vote on?). iunno, achievements already vary quite a bit on how easy they are to obtain, don't see an issue with them having consistent requirements and one just being Hard Mode. I went from having 5 of 3 required cards for Lotus Bloom to 2 of 5 - I demand satisfaction  ! Granted, it doesn't really matter, since the idea that Lotus Bloom would let you pick that cardcolor for new characters never went through. |
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, if they are not already creating a second card because of one of the mechanics listed above.
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