[RULES] Battle Boards V1.218 - Neo Dynasty - Battle Gaiden

Any chance Vehicles could also auto-tactical?

Granted.




Increase to five was blueseclipse 's suggestion I believe; will defer to him on that because he would likely be able to give a more detailed explanation. General idea was that some achievements were being obtained too easily, from what I understood.

The original intent of Leng and Bloom is reward you for creating new colors/types well like say, the color Teal or the new type Geodome-World. The reason I allowed for Subtypes was for ones like Vehicles and Sagas that would also mechanically revamp how the card acted as well and I felt at the time a Planeswalker had strict enough restrictions to adhere to that.

However with the introduction of Planeswalkers to Magic (and the implication that we're going to be getting a lot of flexibility with Planeswalker types from here on out) I'm willing to change my stance on this slightly.



I think this split for the best since it preserves Leng's original intent of implementing some kind of game-changing new type. The second achievement (the non-creature one) would be setup with the idea of counting non-creature subtitles that introduce some kind of radical mechanical/templating change like Vehicles and Sagas. (Planeswalkers types by themselves would no longer count, but a Planeswalker type that corresponded to some 'different' gimmick (think Daij's Fortresses for example which are all "PWs" that 'react' mainly upon being attacked) potentially could.)





My bad, that was a typo. Should be 1. (I considered 0 but I feel like that's a great way to get uninvested in a character really fast.)


Sure, I'm actually surprised that got missed since Equipments are on there.



You don't need Creature/Land Mastery, the whole point is to give you some "breathing room" to pair your cards with but not nearly at the same 'comfort level' Tactical Imperator would afford.
EDIT: No longer valid. See below posts.


CFA/Command Zone stuff only on attack is a typo.

Typos will be fixed in incoming v1.11 and I'll be splitting Leng into two achievements, with the second one having an appropriate name.

I was writing a post to address rules questions, but Zephyr beat me to it.

Regarding the increase in the number of cards needed for Bloom/Librarian from 3 to 5 - this was because, as Zephyr, indicated, requiring only 3 cards to get the achievement seems too easy, even with the higher score threshold.  It also promotes the creator of the type or color to express it more, so that we can get a better idea of exactly how its mechanical identity is supposed to look and where it is supposed to fit in with the rest of the colors/types.  To use Mattol's Pink color as an example, by the time there are 5 cards meeting that score threshold, most of the wrinkles in the mechanical identity will be worked out - and if someone else decides to adopt the color later on, they have a base to work from. 

(Speaking of which, ZephyrPhantom, I don't believe that there has been a case yet where someone has adopted a color or type previously created by someone else.  Just in case it comes up, do we want to apply the limitation that only the player who initially created a color/type can earn Bloom/Librarian for that particular color/type, or do we want to let other people try to adopt an already made color and earn the achievement?  I can see the arguments for either way, though I'd personally say only the first person using that color or type on the boards should be able to get the achievement with that color/type, specifically because they're doing the work to solidify its identity.)

I think adopting a color/type is okay within some limits - like if you're adopting something really old like MaRo's unused elemental supertypes (Earth/Wind/Water/Fire) that had no real mechanical identity assigned to them yet or a really bad parasitic design philosophy that you're planning to scrap or rework, that is fair game. If you're just copying say, someone's interpretation of Purple on the other hand that has a full mechanical primer written out for it already and no real remaining concerns about it on said primer, then I think that's somewhat unfair to get the achievement off of.

(tl;dr If you're going to be adopting something and have it qualify for Bloom/Leng there must've been some reason to change it in a major way in the first place. Note that this is different than say, two people claiming Orange as a color name and then having completely different variations on what Orange does. It might be a bit confusing, but it'll still technically qualify.)



I feel like it's worth pointing out that this is every card design/forum game in general, though. If you know a person is going to rate cards a certain way, nothing stops you from tailoring the cards to suit their preference ("What makes a Pink card for Vintage different from a Pink card in Modern?" sounds like a viable question to me.)

More to the point, I think if someone made only Pink cards for a while they would eventually earn the achievement through sheer numbers, so this is more a question of if it feels too tedious/frustrating to get five 8/10s. Does anyone else feel similarly about the current difficulty of Bloom?

For any cards you create, you must have the appropriate types, colors, CMC limit, etc.  So while Equipment gets auto-tac with Creatures, if you only have Artifact Mastery and the Artificer perk, you can't then make a creature to pair with the Equipment.  Likewise, if you have only unlocked, and you make a Host Creature, you can't then make a Augment card without first purchasing .

Yeah...  that would be a question that ZephyrPhantom needs to answer, then.  It seems odd that making an Equipment or Fortification would automatically allow you to make a Creature or Land without the appropriate Type Mastery, though.

Does Flutterstorm add valor before or after Gamble takes effect?

For example, I receive a score of 10/10 from two different players. By Gamble, I gain 40 Valor. With Flutterstorm, would I end with 41 or 42 Valor?

(Ie, for the second card, I would get 10/10 add +1 Valor from flutterstorm, then double?)

If this is the case, when I to get something less than 9 or 10, would by valor gain be only 1? (Say I score 7. 7 + 1, 8, reduced to 1.)

I'm going to rule Gamble applies after any previous Valor calculations like Flusterstorm since I think it's a good incentive to put the two together. (i.e. in your example it would be 42) If a new perk arises that makes this broken, we'll adjust accordingly.



I think this is a fair point. If no opposition is raised within the next few days I will consider changing it to 9. (If anyone else agrees it should be 9, I will be a bit more willing to consider changing it sooner.)

for a data point (or 700) i ran the numbers on my runs for Normal/Gamble8/Gamble 9

Okus - 1071/1959/1362
Reyhsia - 841.5/1462/1132
Karina - 3570/6271/4755
"An ill wind" - 213/343/253

even on the mono Schemes character gamble@9 is worth

full disclosure: I had brought this up because I only didn't take Gamble because I thought it was at 9. I wanted to see if I could get a mulligan on that, given I've spent the whole one point and no valor. Wasn't expecting it to be an Always thing

Looks like the math shows gamble should be at 9. Going to leave it open for 1 more day but otherwise this is getting patched accordingly.



I don't mind granting do-overs for small one-off fudges (see: kora requesting Pledge) so I think it's okay to request an occasional mull, but I do think in a normal circumstance a player should be declaring any and all restrictions at the moment they reincarnate. You're allowed to abandon restrictions if you don't like them but declaring a commitment to one is an important step.

Had an idea for another restriction/challenge run achievement and wanted to see what you all thought.

Monomania - Choose a perk (with maybe some restrictions on ones that might be too easy or already worth a lot, like Rarity Upgrader or Sinister Decree). Each card you make must use that perk. (For example, if you chose Jester, you can only make silver-bordered cards. If you chose Planar Champion, you can only make Planes.)

Suggestion. Making the ability to make Colorshifted cards, such as Primal Clay versus Primal Plasma or Recycle and Null Profusion, a perk, as it would allow some ground for people to get effects in other colors where they might work, but aren't currently printed in current magic. My gut says advanced perk, but it's effect is simple enough I could see it being a normal perk.

Current name suggestions include Warp World, Colorshift, or Shrouded Lore.