inverness
3/3 Beast
Posts: 184
Favorite Card: Mystic Snake
Favorite Set: Kamigawa
Color Alignment: White, Green
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Post by inverness on Oct 14, 2021 22:56:45 GMT
inverness The only 2 Angles without flying are Sustaining Spirit and Gabriel Angelfire (Gabriel Angelfire can get it) They are also old cards. I feel Angles need to have flying. So i would suggest make the creature something like Avatar or Spirit. Also i dont know if other permanents can make other permanents deal damage, if they are not Enchanted or Equipped to that permanent. Are there any who know that? You might be right, I was wondering if the card should have some form of evasion and flying would be a fine way to do that. I'll update it when I get the chance.
Also, I don't see why it wouldn't work. Fight is a keyword that does just that, and it's on plenty of permanents.
Thank you!
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MonkeyChewToy
1/1 Squirrel
Back in the Saddle
Posts: 52
Favorite Card: Darksteel Relic
Favorite Set: Battlebond
Color Alignment: Blue, Green
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Post by MonkeyChewToy on Oct 14, 2021 23:59:49 GMT
This turns out to be a great opportunity to share some of the things I have brewing in a set I'm hoping to show more of soon. While it's inspired by Strixhaven, the aim is to explore more of the ideas of education and learning, as opposed to the institution of school. The set uses a lot of Lessons, investigate, explore, and mentor, but where art is involved, Sculpture tokens abound. Presenting the incarnation of artfulness themself, Artistry:
Legendary Creature — Incarnation  Whenever another nontoken creature enters the battlefield, that creature’s controller may create a token that’s a copy of that creature, except it’s a 3/1 Sculpture artifact creature. If they do, each of that player’s opponents creates two Treasure tokens. (They’re artifacts with “ , Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.”)Whenever a Sculpture dies, learn. (You may reveal a Lesson card you own from outside the game and put it into your hand, or discard a card to draw a card.)4/4
Just for fun, here's a couple more artistry-aligned cards from the set, which also make Sculpture copies, but which aren't my submission.
Artistry Class  
Enchantment — Class 
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When Artistry Class enters the battlefield, you may discard a card. If you do, each player loses 1 life and you draw a card.
: Level 2
When this becomes level 2, sacrifice an artifact or creature. Create a token that’s a copy of that permanent, except it’s a 3/1 Sculpture artifact creature.
 : Level 3
Whenever you discard an artifact or creature card, create a token that’s a copy of that card, except it’s a 3/1 Sculpture artifact creature. | Sculptural Sacrifices 
Sorcery — Lesson
Exile target creature card from your graveyard. Create a token that’s a copy of that card, except it’s a 3/1 Sculpture artifact creature.
You may discard a creature card. If you do, create a token that’s a copy of that card, except it’s a 3/1 Sculpture artifact creature.
Until end of turn, Sculptures you control have haste and attack each combat if able. Sacrifice all tokens created with Sculptural Sacrifices at end of turn.
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Pixi-Rex
1/1 Squirrel
Why am I a 0/0 Germ
Posts: 62
Color Alignment: White, Green
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Post by Pixi-Rex on Oct 15, 2021 12:55:21 GMT
the5lacker Oh yes saga could be cool. i just need to download templet. i will toy with that.  Edit: updated my entry. now a saga. inverness you're welcome also I forgot about fight. You are right. 
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Post by hydraheadhunter on Oct 16, 2021 13:49:11 GMT
Also i dont know if other permanents can make other permanents deal damage, if they are not Enchanted or Equipped to that permanent. Are there any who know that? Yeah it's kosher. See this nonexhaustive list: Enchanter's Bane, Stalking Vengance, Vengeful Ancestor, Warstorm Surge, all permanents that prototype or have the fight mechanic... All these permanents cause another permanent to do damage without being enchanted or equipped to the permanent doing the damaging. edit: whoopsie. don't mind me, just answering a question that was already answered because I didn't check through the next page of the thread. |
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Post by hydraheadhunter on Oct 16, 2021 14:24:38 GMT
 | Lich's Phylactory
Two generic a blue and a black
Tribal Artifact - Zombie Wizard
Indestructible
Whenever a non-token creature that shares a type with Lich’s Phylactory dies,
create Lich’s Soul, a 0/1 blue and black spirit creature token with flying and
“T, Sacrifice this: Return target zombie or wizard from your graveyard to the
battlefield tapped. It is a black and blue zombie wizard in addition to its
other types and colors.”
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(Black and Blue color)
Token Creature - Spirit
Flying
T, Sacrifice this: Return target zombie or wizard from your graveyard to the
battlefield tapped. It is a black and blue zombie wizard in addition to its other
types and colors.
0/1
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Post by sdfkjgh on Oct 16, 2021 14:39:48 GMT
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Post by hydraheadhunter on Oct 16, 2021 15:04:12 GMT
All of fifteen minutes I went without being corrected... and those were the happiest 15 minutes of my life. /j. Yes, I know, it's canonically spelled phylactery in D&D and MTG; but, I have three-part counter argument. - Language is wibbly-wobbly, and the use of language drives its form: that is, phylactery/phylactory is spelled however people choose to spell it while maintaining its recognizability as the word meaning 'a lich's magic soul box.'
- I think "Phylactory" looks cooler than "Phylactery," and feels like a better spelling of the thing as it's got an olde-timey vibe to the unnecessity of the 'o'.
- I pronounce it "phylactory" irl, everyone I remember saying it pronounced it "phylactory," and I tend to prefer spellings which better match my ideolectic pronunciation of words.
Thank you for pointing out the potential typo. I'll be keeping it, even in the unlikely* event that it costs me the win.
*Unlikely in that even without the typo it'd be unlikely that I'd win 'cause I typically get maybe one to two votes on a good week, and I'm really just here for the vibes.
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Pixi-Rex
1/1 Squirrel
Why am I a 0/0 Germ
Posts: 62
Color Alignment: White, Green
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Post by Pixi-Rex on Oct 17, 2021 11:18:14 GMT
hydraheadhunterIts ok. Fight card make sens because it has a keyword name, but with these cards, they tell straight up another card deals damage. Thank for pointing them out.
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the5lacker
3/3 Beast
Posts: 198
Favorite Card: The Reality Chip
Favorite Set: Kaladesh
Color Alignment: White, Blue
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Post by the5lacker on Oct 17, 2021 13:43:12 GMT
hydraheadhunter Its ok. Fight card make sens because it has a keyword name, but with these cards, they tell straight up another card deals damage. Thank for pointing them out. We've also got things like Justice Strike and Asma... Asmorna... Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar causing things to deal damage to themselves. Causes a few interesting interactions with the likes of, say, Phyrexian Obliterator. Not piling on or anything, just love pointing out how the strongest counter to that obnoxious card is bad food. |
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Post by Daij_Djan on Oct 17, 2021 14:17:29 GMT
When I read the challenge, I knew I wanted to go with my old Companion (and no, I'm still not willing to rename it ) mechanic - this time in blue:
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Post by kefke on Oct 17, 2021 17:38:03 GMT
I wanted to come up with something else, but in the end the best I could do was to make "destroy your mana base for short-term gain" a slightly more appealing prospect.
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the5lacker
3/3 Beast
Posts: 198
Favorite Card: The Reality Chip
Favorite Set: Kaladesh
Color Alignment: White, Blue
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Post by the5lacker on Oct 17, 2021 22:26:59 GMT
When I read the challenge, I knew I wanted to go with my old Companion (and no, I'm still not willing to rename it ) mechanic - this time in blue:
Given permanent spells can be copied now, couldn't you just do Replicate for that kind of effect? |
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Post by hydraheadhunter on Oct 17, 2021 22:38:09 GMT
I'd Like to state for the record that Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar's food is not bad: it's just for a specifcally refined palatte: people with constitution scores so high, they eat poison because they like the taste. When I read the challenge, I knew I wanted to go with my old Companion (and no, I'm still not willing to rename it ) mechanic - this time in blue: Given permanent spells can be copied now, couldn't you just do Replicate for that kind of effect? Replicate doesn't work for Daij_Djan's intended gameplay, which is to only copy the creature exactly once (as it allows you to copy it however many times you can pay the replicate cost where's DD's companion only let's you pay the additional cost one time). Also, yeah; DD probably could rename it or rework it, but it's the principle of the thing at this point: hasbro forced wizards, against the advices of literally everyone they employ to understand and create the game, to make a shit pack-pushing mechanic and surprising no one it had a terrible effect on gameplay: and, DD ain't about to rename their good mechanic because of that shit. |
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the5lacker
3/3 Beast
Posts: 198
Favorite Card: The Reality Chip
Favorite Set: Kaladesh
Color Alignment: White, Blue
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Post by the5lacker on Oct 17, 2021 23:16:52 GMT
Replicate doesn't work for Daij_Djan's intended gameplay, which is to only copy the creature exactly once (as it allows you to copy it however many times you can pay the replicate cost where's DD's companion only let's you pay the additional cost one time). Also, yeah; DD probably could rename it or rework it, but it's the principle of the thing at this point: hasbro forced wizards, against the advices of literally everyone they employ to understand and create the game, to make a shit pack-pushing mechanic and surprising no one it had a terrible effect on gameplay: and, DD ain't about to rename their good mechanic because of that shit. Replicate exactly, no, but it could still probably be formatted as an additional cost as opposed to a technically unrelated triggered ability. Also that's some interesting assumptions about the nature of Companion's creation right there. |
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Post by Daij_Djan on Oct 17, 2021 23:30:25 GMT
Replicate exactly, no, but it could still probably be formatted as an additional cost as opposed to a technically unrelated triggered ability.
Wait.. Is this sentence still related to my mechanic? Because "Companion" is an additional cost - it literally uses the Kicker wording
To answer your initial question: Yeah, that would work nowadays - I'd probably not want to change my mechanic, though. The way I intentionally worded "Companion", it's not related to an ETB trigger burt rather allows both creatures (the original and the token) to etb at the same time - since I wanted it to work like token creator spells (The "together" was supposed to make this clear while it's technically not required for the wording to work. It's a bit like the new Convoke wording.). |
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Post by hydraheadhunter on Oct 17, 2021 23:30:45 GMT
Replicate doesn't work for Daij_Djan's intended gameplay, which is to only copy the creature exactly once (as it allows you to copy it however many times you can pay the replicate cost where's DD's companion only let's you pay the additional cost one time). Also, yeah; DD probably could rename it or rework it, but it's the principle of the thing at this point: hasbro forced wizards, against the advices of literally everyone they employ to understand and create the game, to make a shit pack-pushing mechanic and surprising no one it had a terrible effect on gameplay: and, DD ain't about to rename their good mechanic because of that shit. Replicate exactly, no, but it could still probably be formatted as an additional cost as opposed to a technically unrelated triggered ability. Also that's some interesting assumptions about the nature of Companion's creation right there. Ain't no assumptions: maybe some exaggeration, but no assumptions. It's all documented on the worldwide web for you to go forth and read about-- I'm not gonna go find it for you, but it's there if you want to venture forth and do research. |
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the5lacker
3/3 Beast
Posts: 198
Favorite Card: The Reality Chip
Favorite Set: Kaladesh
Color Alignment: White, Blue
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Post by the5lacker on Oct 17, 2021 23:39:12 GMT
Wait.. Is this sentence still related to my mechanic? Because "Companion" is an additional cost - it literally uses the Kicker wording To answer your initial question: Yeah, that would work nowadays - I'd probably not want to change my mechanic, though. The way I intentionally worded "Companion", it's not related to an ETB trigger burt rather allows both creatures (the original and the token) to etb at the same time - since I wanted it to work like token creator spells (The "together" was supposed to make this clear while it's technically not required for the wording to work. It's a bit like the new Convoke wording.). Reading is hard, my bad lol. Ain't no assumptions: maybe some exaggeration, but no assumptions. It's all documented on the worldwide web for you to go forth and read about-- I'm not gonna go find it for you, but it's there if you want to venture forth and do research. Source: Bro trust me, it was mentioned in a podcast containing exactly zero people with any actual insider information but who validated my preconceptions. |
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Post by hydraheadhunter on Oct 17, 2021 23:47:27 GMT
Ain't no assumptions: maybe some exaggeration, but no assumptions. It's all documented on the worldwide web for you to go forth and read about-- I'm not gonna go find it for you, but it's there if you want to venture forth and do research. Source: Bro trust me, it was mentioned in a podcast containing exactly zero people with any actual insider information but who validated my preconceptions. "Reading is hard, my bad lol." lol |
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Vunik
2/2 Zombie
Maybe trying to kill an immortal mage wasn't the best plan . . .
Posts: 110
Color Alignment: White, Blue, Black
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Post by Vunik on Oct 18, 2021 0:07:17 GMT
Source: Bro trust me, it was mentioned in a podcast containing exactly zero people with any actual insider information but who validated my preconceptions. "Reading is hard, my bad lol." lol At the risk of inflaming this more, the burden of proof is on you, hydra. You made the claim, you find and provide evidence backing up said claim. When you make a claim (especially one as conspiratorial as the one you did), saying "look it up" is equivalent to saying "this is baseless conjecture".
Can I believe that companions were a Hasbro-mandated thing? Sure, it wouldn't be the most outlandish result in the word. But without presenting any evidence, I'm going to go with the much more likely explanation that R&D had a mechanic that they thought was cool and worked well in play-testing. However, similar to things like gotcha, they played it within the intended spirit of the mechanic, rather than how players would end up playing it. (A "kill your darlings" situation.) |
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Post by hydraheadhunter on Oct 18, 2021 1:31:30 GMT
At the risk of inflaming this more, the burden of proof is on you, hydra. You made the claim, you find and provide evidence backing up said claim. When you make a claim (especially one as conspiratorial as the one you did), saying "look it up" is equivalent to saying "this is baseless conjecture".
Can I believe that companions were a Hasbro-mandated thing? Sure, it wouldn't be the most outlandish result in the word. But without presenting any evidence, I'm going to go with the much more likely explanation that R&D had a mechanic that they thought was cool and worked well in play-testing. However, similar to things like gotcha, they played it within the intended spirit of the mechanic, rather than how players would end up playing it. (A "kill your darlings" situation.) You'd typically be right, if I was interested in proving what I was saying rigorously or with authority; but, I'm not interested in the bothering with all that fuss in this case, because it's something as inconsequencial as an argument about the origin of the companion mechanic being had on a custom magic card forum. I'll happily admit that, "go do your own reading," is not a rigorous defense of my position, and it sounds conspiratorial. I'll happily recognize that. I did my own reading, came to my above conclusion, and unfortunately for everyone involved, life doesn't keep my bibliography up to date, so I'd have everything I've ever read ready to go for any given argument's works cited, for me -- and ain't nobody got the time to do it them damn selves (and I being ADHD ain't got the attention span to do it neither); and this arguement's just, not important enough for me to go digging for the works I'd cite had life just put them in a bibliography for me; especially considering that, in my experience, when you do a works cited, people don't actually tend to click-through to read it: they tend to just keep saying what they're gonna say. If you, slacker, or anybody else ain't want to believe me about this, that can be the end of the discussion. If y'all ain't believe me outright, but are curious enough to go do the independant reading, maybe they come to the same conclusion, maybe they don't, and that too can be the end of the discussion or the start of a new one. If y'all want to debunk what I said with sources (provided against burden of proof), that can be the continuation of the discussion after I read that material and perhaps change my opinion. I'm completely unbothered by what anyone involved in this discussion walks away from this conversation believeing. It's just not important enough to me to make a formal argument out of it. |
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Vunik
2/2 Zombie
Maybe trying to kill an immortal mage wasn't the best plan . . .
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Color Alignment: White, Blue, Black
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Post by Vunik on Oct 18, 2021 2:14:46 GMT
"I made a claim, but now that I've been asked to prove it, it isn't worth the effort. So I'll claim it's not a 'formal argument' and avoid giving proof."
Burden of proof isn't something required for "formal arguments" - it's a foundational part of the concept of argument and logical followings. Shifting the burden of proof is a logical fallacy and creates negative, stagnant results: the claimant becomes more ingrained in their beliefs, and the opponents' become less likely to engage with the claimant in arguments. If you want to make a claim, that's fine. But don't act like providing proof is optional in anything but a "formal" setting and that being called out on it is unreasonable.
That being said, I'm going to tap out on this one. You've publicly declared your unwillingness to prove your statement, shifted the burden of proof to those around you, and act like that's somehow justified. This isn't worth engaging in, and it's definitely not worth derailing this CotW thread any further.
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Post by Daij_Djan on Oct 19, 2021 16:05:39 GMT
Sorry for the delay everyone - didn't feel so well yesterday and literally feel asleep after work. I'm already better though - so next challenge will go live as soon as I'm back home
This thread is now closed, the poll can be found here. And here's the next challenge! |
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