Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 17, 2020 16:27:50 GMT
I would like to create Magic cards using Pokémon. Here I have some exemples and the solution I found to the Evolution mechanic. Any help and criticism is welcome.
Sanfonier of the Night Just a friendly heads up, this kind of post should be in Starting Projects in the future. - ZephyrPhantom
Thank you ZephyrPhantom , where do I find the Starting Projects folder? O never mind you just moved there. Thank you.
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Post by dangerousdice on Nov 19, 2020 3:46:37 GMT
probably one of the best evolution mechanics ive seen in awhile! good job!
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 23, 2020 17:58:49 GMT
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galva94
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Post by galva94 on Nov 24, 2020 8:29:48 GMT
The evolution mechanic is the best one could end up with: represents very well the fact that a pokemon evolves form another but without restrict too much the casting condition of the next evolutions. In the case of your cards in particular, the ability is kinda useless, tho, because the ability of the cards on bottom doesn't combine well with the card on top. I guess you can explore more in this direction, for example giving abilities that fit together like firststrike + death touch, or unblockable + when deals damage to a player [effect]. From a pokemon set I also expect a sort of supereffective type of mechanic. This can be very difficult to implement (a lot of types must fit together in a nice manner), but in the past I come up with some ideas, if you want to hear them. Anyway I have my eyes on this topic, hoping you will post more!
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Post by Lady Mapi on Nov 24, 2020 16:05:03 GMT
The Charmander evolutionary line looks pretty strong.
T1. Mountain, Charmander. T2. Mountain, evolve Charmeleon onto Charmander, swing with a 3/3 with firebreathing. T3. Mountain, evolve Charzard onto Charmeleon, swing with a flying 7/7 with firebreathing.
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 25, 2020 14:15:18 GMT
What would you suggest, Lady?
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 28, 2020 15:18:21 GMT
I need some help into this card design, how do I correct It's ability to function in evolve and ETB?
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 28, 2020 15:29:31 GMT
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elmdor
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Post by elmdor on Nov 28, 2020 16:23:14 GMT
That's an excellent way to implement Pokémon evolution in Magic!
I have a rule question: what happens if my base pokémon leaves the battlefield before the evolved creature resolves? Does it enter the battlefield alone, like mutate? Does it stay in your hand, like augment? Will Charmeleon's triggered ability trigger when you evolve Charmander? With mutate, it would, and they're extremely similar mechanics.
About Hydreigon: I would make it a triggered ability (slightly weaker, but easier to write) or two separate abilities. By the way, double strike isn't a black ability and I don't think either color gets the extra block, unless you count a couple of extremely old cards.
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galva94
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Post by galva94 on Nov 28, 2020 16:54:08 GMT
I would say that it's just: ~ enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
Can I ask you where you downloaded the template for the mutate/evolution mechanic? I have the one integrated into "M15 mainframe w/TExt altering" but it doesn't seems to work properly.
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Post by Lady Mapi on Nov 28, 2020 17:02:51 GMT
What would you suggest, Lady? Playtesting, mostly. Sure, it's a "haste-y" flying 7/7, but it also cost you three cards to get there and all of your mana for those three turns. My gut feeling is that it should be fine as long as available removal is solid.
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 28, 2020 21:24:04 GMT
I would say that it's just: ~ enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
Can I ask you where you downloaded the template for the mutate/evolution mechanic? I have the one integrated into "M15 mainframe w/TExt altering" but it doesn't seems to work properly. It's the latest mainfraime realese.
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 28, 2020 21:28:45 GMT
That's an excellent way to implement Pokémon evolution in Magic! I have a rule question: what happens if my base pokémon leaves the battlefield before the evolved creature resolves? Does it enter the battlefield alone, like mutate? Does it stay in your hand, like augment? Will Charmeleon's triggered ability trigger when you evolve Charmander? With mutate, it would, and they're extremely similar mechanics. About Hydreigon: I would make it a triggered ability (slightly weaker, but easier to write) or two separate abilities. By the way, double strike isn't a black ability and I don't think either color gets the extra block, unless you count a couple of extremely old cards. The rules would say so about evolution, but it maybe too powerful, so it may only affect the creature on the battlefield.
Maybe Hydreigon shold be WBR, this color makes sense, since the nature of Hydreygon, being a swift destructive force.
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Sanfonier of the Night
7/7 Elemental
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Favorite Card: The Prismatic Bridge
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 28, 2020 21:36:24 GMT
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Post by dangerousdice on Nov 28, 2020 23:56:15 GMT
hey! i think some of your images are broken, could you post text versions?
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Sanfonier of the Night
7/7 Elemental
Posts: 398
Favorite Card: The Prismatic Bridge
Favorite Set: War of the Spark
Color Alignment: White, Blue, Black, Red, Green, Colorless
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 29, 2020 13:29:04 GMT
hey! i think some of your images are broken, could you post text versions? Can you see they now? One of the images was deleted because there was lack of artist credit.
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Post by dangerousdice on Nov 30, 2020 3:03:46 GMT
post 7 and 8's images arent showing, everything else is fine tho, so text would be nice.
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 30, 2020 14:36:33 GMT
Now with all the corrections.
Deino Creature - Dragon Menace 1/1
Creature - Dragon Evolution (If you cast this creature for it’s evolution cost, put it over a creature it could evolve you own. They evolve into the creature on top plus all abilities from under it.) Double strike Zweilous can block an additional creature each combat. 2/4
Creature - Dragon Hydra Flying, Trample Whenever Hydreigon deals combat damage to a player, put a +1/+1 counter on it. 6/6
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galva94
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Post by galva94 on Nov 30, 2020 15:23:30 GMT
Thinking about it, maybe the Evolution cost should be a little cheaper in general. Ok, you get a creature which is stronger if you evolve it rather than if you simly cast it, but if the evolution cost is too high players might prefer to simly cast the creature and have two slightly weaker pokemon into the battlefield instead of only one but stronger. And this is not very flavorful imo. It would be better if the risk/payoff of evolve your creature is a little more unbalanced toward the evolution-plays. After all, unlike Mutate, you can Evolve only specific creature into anothers, so the cost can be a little cheaper. Of course playtesting can prove me wrong, but i just want to point that out.
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 30, 2020 15:48:07 GMT
Now when they evolve, you put a +1/+1 counter on it.
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Nov 30, 2020 16:15:52 GMT
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Post by dangerousdice on Dec 4, 2020 4:13:26 GMT
this is shaping up to be a great set! the legendarys are a little ewordy, but there nice and flavorful!
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Mar 7, 2021 21:35:25 GMT
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Post by dangerousdice on Mar 10, 2021 2:53:07 GMT
I think the cut mechanic looks cool! not sure how well sacing lands play though.
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galva94
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Post by galva94 on Mar 12, 2021 16:17:17 GMT
Your cards looks very good up to now! Just a curiosity: your set will include a mix of pokémon from all generations?
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Mar 12, 2021 21:49:33 GMT
Your cards looks very good up to now! Just a curiosity: your set will include a mix of pokémon from all generations? My plan is to make as many Pokémon as possible.
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Mar 12, 2021 22:04:09 GMT
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thaneofglamis
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Post by thaneofglamis on Mar 13, 2021 2:45:47 GMT
Not to rain on your parade, but mono-green creatures (Scyther, Scizor, Rowlet, Dartrix) are NEVER supposed to get flying. Not being able to fly is a major weakness of green. Also, the new Gyarados is way above rate, even if you don't evolve it. A 6/5 for four mana without any abilities would already be extremely strong, and this has menace, trample, and haste as well.
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Mar 13, 2021 11:30:08 GMT
Not to rain on your parade, but mono-green creatures (Scyther, Scizor, Rowlet, Dartrix) are NEVER supposed to get flying. Not being able to fly is a major weakness of green. Also, the new Gyarados is way above rate, even if you don't evolve it. A 6/5 for four mana without any abilities would already be extremely strong, and this has menace, trample, and haste as well.
There are instances of flying in green like the Hornet Queen, green is more linked to anti-flying, Gyarados is way unbalanced though.
I made a edit in Gyarados, but if you think monogreen can't have flying, I will make the Rowlet line green and white.
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Sanfonier of the Night
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Post by Sanfonier of the Night on Mar 13, 2021 12:06:57 GMT
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