|
|
Post by Daij_Djan on Jun 23, 2020 20:23:11 GMT
Welcome to the Card of the Week Contest! To participate in this Contest you'll have to design a card along the contest guidelines and throw it into the arena with other competitors' entries! At the end of each week, a winner will be determined by forum poll. The winner's card will be rendered and featured on the Welcome page, and the winner decides the challenge for the next week's Contest! Here we go, competitors: our three-hundred and twenty-second challenge!
The winner of the "Unearthing old keywords" poll was gateways7 with... And the challenge issued by one of our runner-ups was... Design a card that has a "At the end of your end step" trigger. Yes, I know this is unusual timing, but it would trigger after any other end step triggers.
Additionally, please try to keep your entry edits all in one post - if you need to change it you can put your old entry in a spoiler marked "Old entry" and leave the newest rendition to be seen. Just use the edit button in the top/right of your original post.And now, time to begin the challenge! Best of luck, competitors!
|
|
|
|
Post by SilentKobold on Jun 23, 2020 22:53:47 GMT
Academic Espionage ::2::::R::
Enchantment ::rare::
At the end of your end step copy target nonmana ability that activated or triggered this turn at random. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Might update this on a stick later as it seems a bit narrow.
|
|
|
|
Post by sade612 on Jun 23, 2020 23:00:39 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Daij_Djan on Jun 23, 2020 23:23:33 GMT
This is quite the tricky challenge indeed. I looked at other effects normally triggering at the beginning of the end step to figure out an effect that would make sence triggering afterwards - until I came up with this:
Have fun with a rather different take on a blinking commander! |
|
spazlaz
6/6 Wurm
Posts: 333
Color Alignment: Blue, Black
|
Post by spazlaz on Jun 23, 2020 23:38:21 GMT
|
|
Giraculum
0/0 Germ
Posts: 34
Color Alignment: Blue, Green
|
Post by Giraculum on Jun 24, 2020 1:22:24 GMT
Is this different from "beginning of your cleanup step"? If not, I suggest we use that wording instead, as it's the official one. The only difference would be if "end of your end step" goes onto the stack during your end step... but it can't, since it wouldn't be the end yet! So the trigger must be getting placed on the stack during cleanup at (514.3a), at the same time "beginning of your cleanup step" triggers do.
|
|
Orion Rings
1/1 Squirrel
Posts: 72
Favorite Card: Homicidal Seclusion
|
Post by Orion Rings on Jun 24, 2020 1:42:20 GMT
Is this different from "beginning of your cleanup step"? If not, I suggest we use that wording instead, as it's the official one. The only difference would be if "end of your end step" goes onto the stack during your end step... but it can't, since it wouldn't be the end yet! So the trigger must be getting placed on the stack during cleanup at (514.3a), at the same time "beginning of your cleanup step" triggers do. Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. "At the beginning of your cleanup step" is the same effect, but it sounds more Magic-y (if that's a thing). |
|
|
|
Post by Aarhg on Jun 24, 2020 2:36:32 GMT
|
|
Orion Rings
1/1 Squirrel
Posts: 72
Favorite Card: Homicidal Seclusion
|
Post by Orion Rings on Jun 24, 2020 5:16:57 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by viriss on Jun 24, 2020 14:48:36 GMT
Is this different from "beginning of your cleanup step"? If not, I suggest we use that wording instead, as it's the official one. The only difference would be if "end of your end step" goes onto the stack during your end step... but it can't, since it wouldn't be the end yet! So the trigger must be getting placed on the stack during cleanup at (514.3a), at the same time "beginning of your cleanup step" triggers do. Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. "At the beginning of your cleanup step" is the same effect, but it sounds more Magic-y (if that's a thing). Yeah that works for me (that was an old idea that seems... strange to me now) lol |
|
|
|
Post by Aarhg on Jun 24, 2020 16:23:07 GMT
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. "At the beginning of your cleanup step" is the same effect, but it sounds more Magic-y (if that's a thing). Yeah that works for me (that was an old idea that seems... strange to me now) lol I'm not super well versed on rules like this, but I seem to remember something about gaining additional cleanup steps until nothing happens during it. I think there's a The Gitrog Monster combo that takes advantage of that rule. I don't really understand it though. |
|
|
|
Post by Daij_Djan on Jun 24, 2020 17:24:17 GMT
Don't know much about the combo, but it's probably works by discarding lands while discarding down to seven cards.
Basically normally nothing should trigger during cleanup but when it does, a new cleanup step starts.
I read a bit about it when I designed the PoA Mirage mechanic.
|
|
|
|
Post by Aarhg on Jun 24, 2020 17:33:56 GMT
Right, so in that regard it does differ from an "end of end step" trigger.
|
|
Orion Rings
1/1 Squirrel
Posts: 72
Favorite Card: Homicidal Seclusion
|
Post by Orion Rings on Jun 24, 2020 22:08:27 GMT
Don't know much about the combo, but it's probably works by discarding lands while discarding down to seven cards. Basically normally nothing should trigger during cleanup but when it does, a new cleanup step starts. I read a bit about it when I designed the PoA Mirage mechanic. If something triggers during the cleanup step, then players can interact with the step as normal, and another, uninteractable cleanup step appears after it. If something triggers during that step, the cycle repeats. The Gitrog Monster combos with Dakmor Salvage when you discard Salvage to hand size. You can use Gitrog's draw to dredge Salvage during the cleanup step, and repeat over and over to mill your whole deck. However, this does bring up an interesting point - as is, all of these cards will cause an infinite cleanup step loop. The solution would be to change the line (again) to "At the beginning of your first cleanup step each turn..." |
|
|
|
Post by n83rt0t on Jun 25, 2020 18:01:42 GMT
Reconsider
 Basically, if a spell of yours is going to be countered, or protected against ("until end of turn" hexproof, indestructible, protection, etc.), get your spell back and be able to cast it again later (potentially next turn if it's instant speed.) Also, you could just use it as a way to reuse/reopen specific lands (either for their effects, or in multicolor decks, etc.) Originally, I was going to have Reconsider be usable on any turn, but the wording for the contest says, " Design a card that has a "At the end of your end step" trigger.", so I wanted to stay within the parameters given.
|
|
inverness
3/3 Beast
Posts: 184
Favorite Card: Mystic Snake
Favorite Set: Kamigawa
Color Alignment: White, Green
|
Post by inverness on Jun 25, 2020 21:21:30 GMT
Since there are some weird rules questions surrounding the prompt, I figured I'd just fix that.
|
|
|
|
Post by Aarhg on Jun 25, 2020 23:43:02 GMT
Got a new entry. I decided to go a little meta this time.
It also gets around the infinite cleanup step loop by having that additional "if" clause. I'm pretty sure, at least.
|
|
|
|
Post by t2stonerain on Jun 26, 2020 16:43:02 GMT
So, how would the resolution work out? My guess is: - Beginning of cleanup - EoT discard happens and "Beginning of cleanup" trigger is put onto stack
- If EoT discard would trigger another ability, that's put on top of "Beginning of cleanup" trigger
- Players may respond to these triggers. They will go on top of the stack above things in 1 & 2 (or what's left of it after partial resolution)
- Another cleanup step, causing an infinite loop that Orion Rings mentioned unless formatted to prevent it such as the case with Aarhg
Quite mind boggling. I might steal Aarhg's templating or make some static ability that messes with the "end of end step" or "beginning of cleanup" instead.
|
|
Giraculum
0/0 Germ
Posts: 34
Color Alignment: Blue, Green
|
Post by Giraculum on Jun 26, 2020 18:51:32 GMT
Ah, I forgot about the infinite loop. In addition to specifying the first cleanup step, you can also make it a delayed trigger: "At the beginning of your next cleanup step, [effect]". That's how all the current cleanup triggers work (which is mostly just those Substance auras from Mirage block). You could also make it a sacrifice effect like all the "When [game state], [effect]" triggers, which would otherwise have a similar risk of going infinite.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jartis on Jun 26, 2020 23:18:13 GMT
 I figure I can skirt past the infinite cleanup steps issue by just getting rid of the card. |
|
Orion Rings
1/1 Squirrel
Posts: 72
Favorite Card: Homicidal Seclusion
|
Post by Orion Rings on Jun 27, 2020 4:22:21 GMT
I figure I can skirt past the infinite cleanup steps issue by just getting rid of the card. Cool idea! Unfortunately there's another problem now, which is that you can't actually activate things during the cleanup step unless something has triggered already. I'm starting to feel like the bearer of bad news here  |
|
|
|
Post by Jartis on Jun 27, 2020 5:00:58 GMT
Orion Rings Surely this would be a case of specific trumping general, would it not? Like all the cards that let you survive on 0 or less life?
|
|
Orion Rings
1/1 Squirrel
Posts: 72
Favorite Card: Homicidal Seclusion
|
Post by Orion Rings on Jun 27, 2020 6:09:36 GMT
Orion Rings Surely this would be a case of specific trumping general, would it not? Like all the cards that let you survive on 0 or less life? That's true, you could have this card be an exception. |
|
|
|
Post by Daij_Djan on Jun 29, 2020 13:04:49 GMT
This thread is now closed, the poll can be found here. And here's the next challenge! |
|
"When in doubt, do a common." 
