tybonel13
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Post by tybonel13 on Nov 27, 2018 15:30:24 GMT
Hello. I have been trying to create a set of three legendaries that gain activated, triggered, and static abilities in a way similar to Mairsil, the Pretender. I want these legendaries to retain their stolen abilities while in the graveyard, deck, hand, exile, etc. I don't know how to word their abilities in a way that only allows them to use abilities meant for use in the zone. For example, If I have both Metalwork Colossus and Arcanis the Omnipotent caged, I want to be able to use Metalworks ability from the graveyard but be unable to use Arcanis's. The same is true if Panglacial Wurm is caged and the legendary is in the deck and finding the legendary with Mwonvuli Beast Tracker. I need any help I can get on this so I hope you have some answers.  (I didn't use MSE to make them. I'll recreate them in MSE later.) |
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Post by Jéské Couriano on Nov 27, 2018 19:06:28 GMT
This is, as far as I know, not possible (though as Gatherer is presently down for maintenance I couldn't tell you whether or not the card you're using as precedent functions in an identical manner; it'd depend on what the judges have ruled). The ability that adds the abilities needs to be active in all zones for it to even happen, and this can be a major issue for boardstate-legibility and power reasons.
Also, "[...]hand and graveyard[...]" needs to be "[...]hand or graveyard[...]".
EDIT ) There're no explicit judges' rulings about whether Mairsil gets graveyard abilities, but the implications are that he does not.
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tybonel13
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Post by tybonel13 on Nov 27, 2018 20:39:44 GMT
Thanks for the help! Since card ruling usually override game rulings, would saying "This ability is active in all zones." allow it to work? Skullbriar allows his counters to stay in graveyard, exile, and command and I figured this could be similar.
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Post by Jéské Couriano on Nov 27, 2018 21:59:44 GMT
Yes, but the wording you want is "[...]even if it isn't on the battlefield" and again this causes major boardstate/power issues.
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tybonel13
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Post by tybonel13 on Nov 27, 2018 22:18:35 GMT
How so?
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Post by Jéské Couriano on Nov 28, 2018 1:15:47 GMT
For every card you have caged in exile, both you and the opponent need to be able to read its abilities, something which takes more and more time the more there are. This is far more manageable if the caged creatures only need to be referred to while whatever is caging them is on the battlefield, but having it trip in every other zone means that the players are going to be spending more time scrutinising the exile zone regardless of whether or not the card's in a public zone (i.e. graveyard, command, battlefield). Not to mention how whatever is on the battlefield will interact with abilities like that.
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Post by cajun on Nov 28, 2018 13:32:49 GMT
He doesn't. Mana cost, color, and PT written out like this applies in every zone, but not abilities.
Taking a page from Skullbriar and Necrotic Ooze I'd suggest
"While ~ is in any zone, it has..."
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Post by Jéské Couriano on Nov 29, 2018 1:10:29 GMT
He doesn't. Mana cost, color, and PT written out like this applies in every zone, but not abilities.
Hence why I said, "but the implications are that he does not", and citing the judges' ruling that supports that interpretation.
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Post by cajun on Nov 29, 2018 3:17:18 GMT
well interpret no longer, the thing i said is cleanly spelled out in the CR.
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Post by ameisenmeister on Dec 13, 2018 20:30:49 GMT
Just add "in every zone" to the rules text and it should work just fine. It could, admittedly, get a bit messy with all these caged cards but I believe it's okay, though, because it's a mythic, which can be complex.
I, on the other hand, don't understand why these three legends all have the exact same rules text. Am I missing something?
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